wine540: I respectfully disagree. I too have an unhealthy knowledge of Olympus menus having survived ownership of the an OM-D EM-5 and P5. Customizing this camera is child's play for me. I've used it for birding trips, scenics and casual Grandpa photography. What concerns me is that the sensor behaves as well or better than the EM-1. It is so easy to use and carry around. Pictures using the unlikely combination of camera+ Pany/Leica 25 mm are scary good. As a second camera of a MFT system user this is the best PEN yet!
It sounds like we agree on more than we disagree on.
My point was that it's a really good camera *if* you're familiar enough with Olympus menus to get the best out of it.
Dayd3: I don't get it why shooting experience is mostly about not so good default settings? I mean, camera is very customizable and can be used as quickly and in the same way as DLSR if user takes some time to change default behavior in a menus.
Because the default settings are much further away from being photographer-optimized than most DSLRs, and because it's harder to customize than most other cameras.
BobFoster: However, the camera is fundamentally a Pen version of the E-M10 (something other commentators have rightly pointed out above). Other review websites have rated the camera quite highly. Maybe these have taken the trouble to look past the ‘girly’ advertizing into the actual photographic merits of the camera and come up with a more accurate evaluation than this review.
Where in the article do you think we've criticised the 'photographic merits' of the camera?
What I thought I'd written was that it's a really capable camera but that (unlike the E-M10) it's pretty obscure how to get the most out of it.
G-D: DPR, I think you should add some comment about why you left out so many other equally good and comparable camera's, like all those mentioned by many here in earlier comments. What a weird lineup!
I've replied to this on the other roundup where we're having a parallel conversation.
quezra: The basic problem is DPR are cherry picking when they use the manufacturer's classification (e.g. putting the Nikon 1 V3 here), and when they choose to ignore it (no A6000 or A7 here).
Same problem in the entry-level mirrorless category. Several cheap cameras are missing there (E-PL7, A5000), yet they randomly add in Fuji offerings which are far more expensive than most of that category.
And ironically, spec-for-spec, the X-M/A1 are very similar to the Nikon 1 V3, but placed at opposite ends of the mirrorless category.
If we moved the a5100 down it'd be in the same group as the a3000, so they'd be no more spread out.
However, I hadn't realised the a5100 was being sold quite *that* cheap. And, while price isn't the sole factor, I'll bring it up for discussion tomorrow.
Zeisschen: Endless click producing roundups. Seriously, who cares? These lists simply made Dpreview less credible to me...
We're constantly criticised for not actually helping people to decide which camera to buy. This is our attempt.
We've used every one of these cameras and so are trying to offer our insight based on that (often extensive) usage.
Impulses: Uhh, no MFT cameras? I'm guessing they were left out because no new entry level bodies were released this year... Could've swore I remember MFT (GF6 or a PEN) being included in a similar roundup last year. At the same time tho, the A3000 and others here were also 2013 releases, and you can get a mid to high end GX7 or E-M10 for the price of the X-M1...
BarnET - The E-PL7 *is* here and has been for several hours now. The PL7 and GM1 were borderline cases and, in response to reader feedback, we moved them.
mpgxsvcd: I know I am not the only one that cares about these cameras. Something must be wrong or there would be more comments. Am I the only one that can see this article?
Dpreview can you look into this?
A system glitch means that a lot of the comments for this article got associated with the 2013 roundup, so the small number of comments reflects only one day's traffic on a day when we've not directed anyone towards the article.
@Impulses - I agree with you about the GM1 and we've now moved it into this category.
At the moment we've not included any camera in mutliple groups (partly because, once you add one borderline case, you shift the border and have to add another one...), mainly to make sure these don't end up being infinitely long.
The long-term plan is to make the whole thing more flexible, so that there are different roundups based on different methods of selection (size/price/capability), but we haven't had the time to do that, yet.
quezra - there's no perfect way to categorise cameras. We take into account the MSRP, the manufacturers' stated intentions and our own judgement based on how the camera handles and the features it offers. Your examples are good ones in that they're the borderline cameras that are hardest to categorise.
The E-PL7 has been moved to entry-level because its street price seems a lot lower than the MSRP (also the PL5 ended up mid level last year because there was a PEN Mini model below it).
The a5000 is almost certainly replaced by the a5100, which is *just* about mid-level.
Finally, in the same way the a6000 dominates the mid-range class by being so competitively priced, the V3's price pushes it into the enthusiast class, where it's rather out-gunned.
dark goob: Wow where's Olympus??? Really, DPREVIEW?
Jorginho - we can never be 100% sure but the fact that the PM2's co-launched sister model was replaced at Photokina this year strongly suggests that if the PM2 hasn't yet ceased production, it will do within the lifetime of this article.
I hate to spoil dark goob's conspiracy theory with anything so crude as facts, but we included a whole host of Micro Four Thirds cameras in the [Mid-Range Roundup](http://www.dpreview.com/articles/6428641287/mid-range-mirrorless-camera-roundup) we published a few weeks ago. A Micro Four Thirds camera was one of our recommendations, as it happens.
The E-PL7 and GM1 were both borderline as to whether they should be included in the entry-level or mid-level class. We chose to put them in the one that was going to be published first. However, having seen the comments about the price level they're being sold at (which wasn't clear when we planned these pieces), we're going to discuss moving them into this class.
If you look across all the roundups we've published in the past month, you should find just about every model that's likely to still be on the market after Christmas.
If you want to read about older models (such as the a5000) you can find it in [last year's roundup](http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7802516432/mid-range-mirrorless-camera-roundup-2013).
The E-PL7 and GM1 were borderline cases and are currently in the mid-level roundup, published a few weeks ago. We'll discuss moving them down to this group (especially since the GM1's price has been reduced so much).
KKJohn: Just to make a point re the people likely to buy these cameras. I'm a retired photographer who used to have a Nikon system with several bodies and 50 lbs of lenses. After I retired I wanted something light, reasonably priced but with good quality. I started off with the Lumix LX3, then the Fuji X10. My friendly camera store had some good deals on the XA1 with both kit lenses (16-50 & 50-230). I also splurged on the 35/1.4 lens. With all 3 lenses the total came to less than what an XT1 body would cost. For the difference in quality and features, which IMHO is not sufficiently great, I couldn't be more pleased with the XA1.So the fact that you label these cameras for photography beginners and those who will upgrade to DSLRs is unkind to us old timers who are just the opposite, trying to down size from the monster DSLRs but still want quality and don't have to satisfy finicky customers, only our family and friends who have found the quality of my XA1 output to be just fine thank you.
KKJohn - We've only put the X-A1 and X-M1 in this group because they're the lowest-cost entries into the X-mount system. We also highlight them as being the models with most appeal here to those users who want to take control over their cameras.
Karen Casebeer: I've been looking forward to this review and it seems mostly excellent. However, I noticed the new 7D2 got an 84% and a Silver Award, but the 70D got 83%, and a Gold award. I'm not sure what the relationship is between percentage and whether a camera body gets a Silver or Gold award.
AbrasiveReducer - the problem is the alternative is to do away with groups, which suddenly means that compacts score ~30% and mid-level DSLRs score ~50-60% because they're just not Nikon D810s.
Categorising is awkward around the borders between classes, but on the whole it gives more readily comprehensible results.
Vitalisam: I'm an owner of quite out-dated Canon 50D. Suddenly I started to feel a 'new camera fever'. And not an SLR anymore, but rather something suitable for comfortable traveling.Right now I'm hesitating between Lumix GM5 and Fujifilm X100T. Personally I like Fuji one but lack of zoom is just killing me. Could someone professionally convince me that I don't need an optical zoom during traveling? :)
I've always liked the 35mm equivalent focal length for 'this is what I saw' documenting purposes - which is something I really enjoy. It makes it hard to compose-out distracting elements or draw attention to small things, but as a way of capturing snapshots of the world around you, it can be really good. If I'm going to have just one focal length, somewhere in the 35-40mm range is perfect for me.
However, some people prefer 28mm equiv and interchangeable lens cameras can offer much greater flexibility *if* you buy additional lenses.
How about renting a 24mm lens for your 50D (or buying the new STM one), spending some time with it and seeing whether you find it restricts you or encourages creativity?
surelythisnameisfree: This does seem a remarkable camera. The only problem I have is that I see the tearing/rainbows in the EVF to such an extent that I can't use it. It's hard to believe that an OLED VF would have added that much more to the production cost. Clearly the testers aren't members of the group that do see these rainbows as it doesn't seem to have impacted the score at all
@surelythisnameisfree: I was hoping to get a short review of the X100T written by today but that hasn't proved possible.
If you can live with the fixed 35mm field-of-view, it's a great camera - I can tell you that much. Lots of little tweaks over the X100S.
Not sure I'd buy one if I had an X100S but, since I don't, I'm seriously considering it.
With respect, I think suggesting some people have a 'defect' in their vision is rather inaccurate. I don't think I've encountered anyone who can't see the effect - the difference appears to be in how distracted they are by it.
armanius: I'm enjoying my LX100. Unless I'm missing an option somewhere, the auto-ISO implementation is horrible. Camera refuses to go past ISO 1600 even when the shutter speed has dropped to 1/8" at full zoom (when in aperture priority).
It looks like the Auto ISO behaviour has changed. It's not *completely* impossible that I overlooked the upper limit setting, since I was mainly writing about thresholds, but I thought I'd checked closely.
Either way, I've re-tested the camera and updated that section.
mpgxsvcd: This statement is also misleading. "As with the GH4, Auto ISO is not available in video mode."
It has Auto ISO in video mode. Just not with full manual controls in video mode. That is a very significant distinction.
It looks like Auto ISO behaviour is slightly different from the firmware version I based that on. I'll review the text immediately.