Charlie Jin: This is my dream cam (of course it works as advertised). I always wanted a camera+phone that can take reasonably good pictures (far better than typical phone camera) with photo editing apps like Snapseed, and social apps such as Kakao Story, and cloud apps. Sending the edited pictures through messaging apps such as Kakao Talk, and etc. Finally it arrived.
no - read it again on dpreview. the 808 does not crop 4:3 (7152x5368) to get 16:9 (7728x4354) - the field of view changes with the ratio. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/02/27/Nokia-808-PureView-with-41MP-sensor would you also call the panasonic LX5's 4:3 resolution as native and 16:9 is a crop?
sportyaccordy: The best camera you can have is the one thats on you when a great shot comes to you
I have been goofing around with different phones and cameras for years now and have been waiting for a phone like this for YEARS. This is perfect for me. Yes its only a P&S but it is still an upgrade from other smartphones on the market, INCLUDING THE 808. Is it perfect? No but it's definitely a step in the right direction and a huge leap forward for smartphones.
I'm seriously considering selling my NEX C3 setup for this and going full frame for my "serious" camera.
the XF1 uses a mechanical zoom and it looks pretty compact collapsed. http://fujifilm-x.com/xf1/en/index.html
and yes you could be happy that the S4 Zoom chooses ISO 800 to take the same shot where the 808 uses ISO 200.
on the 808 the 28mm equivalent is only with 4:3 ratio, it's also 26mm using 16:9
you were the one talking about selling your NEX C3 setup for it, but if Samsung thinks that having a fly-by-wire zoom on their camera makes it more affordable, durable and photograph friendly, good for them.
vetsmelter: oh my gosh!!! What an ugly bump like a cancer growing out of the otherwise so brilliant flat and sexyTM designAn insult to al aesthetics and mother nature!I can't believe anybody would want to sacrifice the design of an expensive high end phone you have to carry with you at least a full year just to have a minor increase in picture quality. Nobody will ever need more than the iPhone camera 8Mpix standard and nobody needs more than 16GB fixed storage in a camera device. (but we'll some available for a premium)
Luckily the EOS phone has Windows now.
March 1st 2012 "If it really took Nokia 5 years to come up with “PureView Technology”, then why didn’t they wait an extra 6 months to unveil it along with the next version of Windows Phone? Second key point, the PureView 808 is 18 bloody millimeters thick. That’s twice what a phone should be."
Correction: the quoted 15.9mm thickness for the S4 Zoom was taken from Samsung's press release specs, but this is being disputed by people who observe that the Galaxy is more likely to be at 25mm. http://mynokiablog.com/2013/06/16/nokia-meme-on-s4-zoom-non-pocket-friendly-teaser-for-own-zoom-reinvented-actual-thickness-of-s4-zoom-pls-25mm/
it is unfortunate that samsung chose to mate the zoom ring with a motor instead of a mechanical solution.
*wider* = wider aperture
you don't need to rely on comparisons between the 808 with the S4, when there are already comparisons with the S4 Zoom http://www.nokiapoweruser.com/2013/06/12/imaging-shootout-samsung-galaxy-s4-zoom-vs-808-pureview/ the point remains that in real world conditions, the wider, sharper 808 lens will resolve more detail than the diffraction limited zoom lens that needs a higher ISO to take the same shot up to 3x. beyond 3x the S4 Zoom will outresolve the 808.
@Charlie Jin - There is currently no snapseed on symbian or windows phone. given your personal criteria for a dream cam, the nokia 808 is not for you.
@superyugin1 - no, you are assuming that cropping the sensor output is the only factor in image quality. what you haven't considered is that with a 1/2.3" size at 16mp you are already diffraction limited at f/3.1. at 2x zoom, the galaxy's lens is using an even smaller aperture and producing a blurrier image than at wide open compared to the 808. furthermore, the S4 zoom would need to compensate to maintain the same shutter speed by boosting the ISO (destroying detail), or to maintain the same ISO by using a slower shutter speed (adding motion blur). this doesn't even count the mustache distortion from the 10x zoom lens design. sure, with a static resolution chart, good lighting and a tripod, you can get the S4 to produce a sharp image from 1-10x. but for poor to normal conditions the detail of the S4 Zoom would be worse than the 808 throughout its useful 3x zoom range.
at what resolution? how do you know the effectiveness of the noise reduction, sharpening algorithm and image compression of an unreleased phone? can you show the lens on the samsung has less optical aberrations?
Steve oliphant: This could very well be the end of real camera stores and thats to bad but the sad fax is the point and shoot people are what feeds these stores .......
if you define "real camera stores" as brick and mortar retailers specializing in photographic equipment, they are closing because online shops like amazon plus giants like walmart, target and their ilk are selling cameras cheaper, not because of the integration of cameras in phones.
first, check dpreview, it says that the 808 is only 14mm thickhttp://www.dpreview.com/products/nokia/mobilephones/nokia_pureview808/specificationssecond, that ugly bump aesthetic didn't stop Samsung to make a phone that is 15.9mm at its thinnest and weighs 39 grams heavier than the 808. the 808's aperture also doesn't get smaller when you zoom.
vetsmelter: 6th March 2012"The obvious drawback to having an enormous camera in a smartphone is that it physically takes up quite a lot of space. That is why the Nokia 808 PureView is pretty bulky by today's standards with a thickness of 14 millimeters. So yeah, sexy is far from the first terms one would use to describe the device."
The bloggers, while true experts in their domain due to lacking muscle mass, really hate thick phones. That must be why Samsung didn't dare to put telephone functionality in its Galaxy Camera.
"Nokia’s PureView sensor is a 41-megapixel behemoth which makes the 808 top-heavy, ridiculously thick, and a chore to use."
So yes, I think this Windows phone is way to thick , fail :D
if Samsung didn't dare put telephone functionality in its Galaxy Camera, then why did samsung release the Galaxy S4 Zoom?
Combatmedic870: Windows 8 really....is not all that great. I prefer android and OIS over windows anyday.
and while droiders are still waiting for that large sensor sony android phone, other people have been merrily taking pictures with their pinsharp carl zeiss nokias for years. seriously though, sometimes you have to be thankful for all the naysayers and the brand herds, since it allows those few who truly understand the technology to purchase it below market price.
Rage Joe: I'd say there are many people who really don't need any other camera besides this, even some enthusiast might be well served with this one :)!! It all just depends if you want a lot of bokeh and RAW and other s...t like that. What do you say?
how can you get "more" bokeh? don't you mean depth of field?
do you just talk about your engine all day, or do you actually drive your car?
rondhamalam: To stick with Symbian and not to use Android or Windows on this camera phone was a big mistake.
even if your numbers are correct, it doesn't prove that sticking to symbian was a big mistake. the 808 uses a dedicated gpu and at that time, no operating system could handle the processing of 1 billion pixels per second, besides dead meat symbian. it was a decision between showcasing the technology, or not at all. http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2012/02/27/nokia-unveils-symbian-41-megapixel-camera-phone/