RichRMA: One thing about FF; if the edge definition of my m4/3 Olympus 12-40mm was as bad as either of these two lenses, I'd return it.
"if the edge definition of my m4/3 Olympus 12-40mm was as bad as either of these two lenses, I'd return it."
you'd have to use the olympus 7-14 to take the same shot from the same spot as those two though.
brownie314: Do any of these phone cameras now matter since the Panasonic CM1 is here.
he said it's not suited as an everyday phone for him, because everyone has preferences. there may be some who will tolerate or even appreciate the cm1 as an everyday phone.
George1958: Camera review? Surely this is a phone review that is focused on the image capture function? I have no beef with the device but it ain't a camera, at best an electronic and very capable Swiss army knife.
then you don't understand why Connect is a mobile photography site. it does not review cameras, and you need to comprehend that first sentence.
jumpingjack: Also, taking about price vs features and comparing. Please name one Fuji, Sony or Samsung camera at any price point that includes an extremely convenient pocket size flash that both tilts and swivels.
when you say "why can't we have a nice civilized talk...", you are making a request because what you have is not present. so in effect you are stating that there was no civilized talk beforehand, which contradicts your statement that you "didn't imply that your post was uncivilized."
"I suspect I have a minority view point on this but this technology is more socially regressive than progressive." - but that wasn't in your original statement. you said "...but it ain't a camera..." which has nothing to do with the subject of phones being socially regressive technology. you're just changing the topic.
"I don't think it's benevolent to assume that I lack knowledge outside Olympus offerings." - there was no assumption about you being made in the statement, that all manufacturers make products that cater to every want, including the ecological and economical benefit of buying only accessories one needs, is a good thing - means that is a positive.
whether or not you feel that such a response to your post is egoistical is entirely up to you.
mateo goodman: I dropped my less than 1 week old Z3. I blame myself for this. But this phone got buttons all ariund the edge of the phone. I was tiing a photo, in trying to avoid touching any buttons on my he edge, i dropped the phone 3 ft height, the screen cracked. Sent to Sony for repair. Sony reurned the phone with h a note: "cannot be repaired to within asony quality standars.
so your point is that the warranty on your Z3 only covers repairs and not replacements?
a reminder: "all manufacturers" also includes olympus, so there was no message that you should leave olympus to get what you want, unless you misunderstood. it's just that you should think about offerings from other brands to broaden your horizon.
you assume the CM1 is being sold at a price everyone is willing to spend for
you feel that there's no agreement between stating that all manufacturers have other cameras that cater exactly to your want of "a cheaper camera with the option to add and pay for accessories" and your need for a civilized conversation?
where does it say that you should not state your opinion and go somewhere else, that makes it uncivilized?
Menneisyys: Pretty mediocre as a smartphone camera. (Not to mention as a phone, particularly with the unsettling news of Sony's probably selling off their entire smartphone business, meaning a definite end of any official future firmware upgrades. Not that previous Sony models received that many upgrades...)
In addition to the usual stuff (bad oversharpening, watercoloring via the, at least in broad daylight, unnecessarily strong noise reduction), Sony really should improve their sweep pano mode. Heck, even Samsung's implementation is way better, which, in turn, can't hold a candle to that of Apple. And the decentered lens and bad front camera (the latter being particularly important in dual-camera modes (here: "Face In"), which I *love* on the Note4 and use a LOT for social shots)....
3) you sound just like every DSLR and P&S elitist bashing reviews of phones that they have no intention of ever using, who think that because of what they own they are entitled to tell DPR what should qualify to be reviewed or not, as if the site caters only to their demographic. they pathetically insist on griping ad infinitum on the very narrow point that phone cameras will never reach the same level as P&S or DSLRs, but always ignore the fact that reaching the measurements of DSLRs was never a goal for phone users and that what a phone can deliver was good enough to meet their needs.
except in your case it's not DSLRs and phones, it's Wacoms and iPads. you're so blinded by your own position that you can't even consider the possibility that there might be someone that who may decide that a non-Wacom device can be competent enough for the price.
"I'm overly skeptic and only laugh when someone state the iPad is an excellent pen input device."
- no, the discussion was not about what you thought of what is said in the article. pay attention:
1) you avoid what you previously claimed - that there was a so-called 'militant' 'iSheep' who stated that an iPad solution is equal to a Wacom/nTrig one. but you can't pinpoint who it was.
2) you've completely missed the point that you're judging a product you've never ever tried. how do you know that it is very similar to previous things you've used? you don't. you just can't admit that it's only your preconceived notion, it has no weight except to showcase your prior disappointments.
it may be completely true that the product is indeed the same as other ipad solutions and nowhere near a wacom, but unless you have evidenced it for yourself, that isn't an evaluation you can honestly make.
"than an article on a new but, because of the underlying technology, bound-to-fail "revolutionary" pen technology." - so you are willing to box out a minority of users. you've made it clear that you have closed your mind on a product based on your past experiences with other ones that you classify as similar. do you apply the same discriminatory profiling in other aspects of your life?
"it ain't a camera, at best an electronic and very capable Swiss army knife." - is it so hard to read the first sentence? "Connect smartphone reviews are written with the needs of photographers in mind. We focus on camera features, performance and image quality."
"I indeed haven't tried it. However, I've tested several also-"revolutionary" pen solutions on the iPad before." - by your logic, you can evaluate every new product based on the performance of past ones
"There are a LOT more interesting subjects for us mobile and/or tablet users." - now you believe yourself to be the spokesperson for mobile users in connect and that everyone shares the same opinions as you do
"compared to the active input methods, pretty much useless toy" - can you say how long you tried the astropad before you "compared" that it is useless to active input methods?
"Indeed they shouldn't." - is it rational to think that you can decide how to do DPR staff's job?
"Anything iPad & pen-based is simply not worth publishing as, again, anyone seriously into tablet pen-based input won't bother with the iPad." - you're the spokesperson for every serious pen user now?
"Anyone that states an iPad is capable of as precise input as a Wacom / nTrig tablet" - and exactly who said this?
"you can safely state ANY pen-based product sucks on the iPad without even trying it." - but that's not what you said. you said "DPR shouldn't even dedicate front-page articles to such junk."