Dan Bracaglia: We’ve gotten a lot of feedback about the exclusion of certain models, most of which will be included in our high-end pocket camera roundup, which we will be publishing shortly. Stay tuned!
I would like to see a demonstration of what they deem to be "Pocket-able" so that I can see if it meets my definition of "pocket-able".
Did the GH4 survive the water? It is supposed to be weather proof with the 12-35 and 35-100m F2.8 lenses. Did it have either of those lenses on it when it took the bath?
Simply a fantastic video. Thank you and please keep creating these types of video tutorials.
Gesture: What do you use to shoot the video?
Did the GH4 "Fall" into the River? Or was it "Pushed" into the River?
Could you include a demonstration of their pocket ability in the review?
If you categorize them as pocketable it would be nice to see that in action. I am thinking a simple video of them being placed in a pocket would suffice.
You guys do realize that the more controversy there is in these reviews the more clicks Dpreview gets, right? They have no incentive to put out an article that everyone says “Yup I agree” and then goes about their merry way.
They have been posting articles lately that attract attention because they are controversial and we take the bait. Personally I like it this way. I like the controversy. Others may not though.
justmeMN: Unlike mirrorless cameras, whey you buy a DSLR, you aren't joining a religious cult. :-)
Have you been drinking the Canikon Kool-Aid lately?
How many different group reviews do we really need? Aren’t the individual reviews enough? What we really need is expert advice on how to get the most out of the cameras we do have or plan to buy. I think we all have enough information to determine what we want to buy. We just need some help figuring out how best to use it.
These round-up articles aren’t as helpful as Dpreview thought they would be. It really just looks like you said each one of the major DSLR makers needs to have one category that they win.
Please focus your effort on more video review/demonstrations like the one with the 7D MKII. That was great. I learned a lot from that.
armandino: Unless you have an impelling need of a more compact camera DSLR is still a more compelling tool:1) Ergonomics2) Optics (choice, value)3) OVFThis comes not as a surprise to me and I am glad that most people recognizes it still. The mirrorless class needs to cut down on the hype and slash their prices especially on the optics in order to make a solid impact.
That is what Canon and Nikon keep telling themselves as their market share lead continues to dwindle away. The only thing that the mirror in your DSLR does is provide you with an optical viewfinder. Otherwise your DSLR is the exact same as a mirrorless camera.
More and more people are relying on the LCD screen for framing as anti-glare techniques and higher resolution monitors become the norm. DSLRs no longer have the sensor size advantage that they once did because we now have A-PSC and full frame mirror-less cameras.
Your DSLRs may never die out completely but mirrorless cameras growth will continue to increase.
Are there really any enthusiast cameras that fit in pants pockets now? Can you demonstrate the pocket-ability of those cameras in the review?
I truly do not see how any of these cameras could be comfortably worn in pants pockets and yet almost all of them except for the longer zoom cameras will fit in a jacket pocket
I love it when they have a big press release to announce pricing and then just tell us it is “ABOUT” $1700.
16-35mm F2.8 ZA SSM II sounds great!
I will read the article when you add the other valid competitors for the LX100 to the article. Right now it just looks like an article to promote the LX100. And I am the biggest LX100 Fanboy out there. However, I still want to see a fair fight. Right now this article just looks like an advertisement for the LX100 and not a true comparison.
mpgxsvcd: I would like to suggest that these cameras be broken up into a smaller group of categories. There are just too many significant differences in these cameras to compare them. Here is what I would suggest.
1. Fixed lens Prime cameras. Fuji X100T and Sony RX1/RX1R. A fixed lens Prime camera only appeals to a very specific type of photography. Very few people would cross shop the prime camera against a mid range zoom like the Olympus Stylus 1 or the Panasonic FZ1000.
2. Fixed lens wide angle Zoom(2x-5x max zoom range) camera. There are a lot that fit in this category and a broad range of sensor sizes and zoom ranges. However, all of them could be cross shopped against the others by any type of user that wasn’t too concerned with long telephoto reach.
3. Fixed lens mid range Zoom(6x-25x max zoom range) camera. These are not quite super zoom cameras(25x+) but they also tend to have larger sensors and faster lenses than the true super zoom cameras.
I left out one category because I went over the character limit for a post and simply because I have no respect for this category. I think all cameras in this category are ridiculous wastes of money so picking a winner would be impossible for me to do.
4. Fixed Lens Super Zoom(25x+ max zoom range). These cameras tend to have very small sensors with ridiculous zoom ranges and unusably small apertures. However, they sell like crazy to uninformed consumers who think that all they need are megapixels and reach.
I would like to suggest that these cameras be broken up into a smaller group of categories. There are just too many significant differences in these cameras to compare them. Here is what I would suggest.
This can’t possibly be considered a comprehensive review without the Sony RX100 MKIII and the Canon G7X in it. They are direct competitors to the Panasonic LX100. They may or may not be better than the LX100. However, excluding them in the conversation just invalidates the article.
The image quality from the smaller Sony sensor in the two omitted cameras is on par with the larger sensor LX100 so the sensor size difference is only applicable for the depth of field difference.
Are there plans to add the Sony RX100 MKIII and the Canon G7X cameras to this comparison?
Ha, Ha, Ha. They didn’t even use the most recent version of the camera.
Oh God! Not this again.
I loved when Jeff wrote on the Digital Camera Resource page. His reviews were always my favorite. Adding him to the Dpreview team was a no brainer.