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Very impressed by the results of the S4 as a camera. The image quality is definitely worse than the Nokia 808, but the S4 easily compensates this difference by running Android.
It's amazing how much detail they got from such a small sensor! (the Nokia has a larger sensor than many high end compact camera's, so no "magic" that it performs well)
Jostian: If there's no Xenon flash then they are not serious about the imaging prospects of the phone... The N8 and PureView 808 have Xenon and the results speak for themselves, there is no good reason for removing the Xenon flash, especially if touting the imaging capabilities of the phone, No Nokia lost the plot here seriously, they can 'market speak' all the other specs all they want, but an LED is NOT an option for photography in low light, it merely helps with video, but is useless for photography... Nokia, shooting themselves in the foot again and not knowing why its sore!!!
@Jostian
"Dear menneisyss think you are a bit confused and the only person in the world who thinks a LED flash is better than a Xenon flash.."
Menneisyys did not even remotely make that statement. He just stated that this phone does well in low light. That has nothing to do with LED/Xeon flash.
Lea5: Our agency upgraded last October to several Creative Suites CS6 and paid thousands of Euros. Now we can't upgrade camera RAW? Just fu.. camera addings for us?
Adobe you are a f..joke and I hope you fail. You deserve the Kodak moment!
I guess you get flamethrowered at Facebook again today. I'm glad we ordered Capture One.
This update works perfectly for CS6. You won't get the CS7 features in CS6. The only change is that CS7 is now subscription based. But when CS7 was a normal version, you still wouldn't get those features in CS6!
Menneisyys: "Unfortunately for mobile photography enthusiasts the Nokia representatives would not comment on whether we can expect Nokia 808 camera technology in a Windows 8 phone any time soon."
That's bad news. That's what I've been waiting for - a 41 Mpixel monster with OIS and, hopefully, 1080p60 / stereo Rich recording. Or even 4K, even if "only" at 15-20 fps.
There are not that many 41MP sensors around, actually one 1... so the next 41MP phone by Nokia will have the same sensor, perhaps an updated version.
Dynamic range is not that good, I would trade in the 41MP sensor for a 8MP sensor with better dynamic range any day. Optics in the 808 are fantastic, and JPEG processing is very good as well. I don't use the "zooming" often, because image quality drops when you loose the pixel binding, in all situations with less than perfect lighting.
yuribel: For Windows only... It means — useless program for the most of photographers.
yep, because most of them use Windows?
GPW: NIKON D800!
@dylanbarnhart
I'm pretty sure the quality of the photos and the credits of the photographer make the price tag. The price of the body he/she uses doesn't say anything!
Looks very nice, not only sharp, but the colors and out-of-focus rendering is very nice as well. Quite sure this Sigma will be THE best crop zoom lens of this moment (probably one of the most expensive as well :-( )
tornwald: I hope Sigma wil offer an affordable alternative to the upcomming Zeiss 55 f1.4 Distagon lens. I think they will be able to match it in quality and offer autofocus at the same time. More full frame ART primes please Sigma :)
The new Sigma 35mm F1.4 DG HSM outperforms the Zeiss in most tests.
And Sigma already has an excellent 50mm F1.4, so I do not think they will release a 55mm prime.
Richard Murdey: Any reason Canon couldn't come out with a collapsible zoom for this, like Sony, Panasonic have for their mirrorless cameras?
They can, but the lens will always be bigger, because the distance between the lens and sensor has to be larger. They cannot change that, without changing the mount.
I'm actually pretty impressed by the results of the camera of the Z10. BB never stated that the camera in this phone would be very special, never the less, it can keep up with for example the Lumia 920. Nokia filled hours of presentations on how fantastic the pictures of the 920 would be.
Used the Z10 for a while, on a fair a few days back, and it reminded me of the Nokia N9 in terms of interface. Which is a good thing!!
FreedomLover: Thank you for this review.
Typically Microsoft, an eternally buggy and moody toy, if you want good results it just doesn't work.
Yep, just like Windows 7 and Office 2010. Totally pointless and unstable like hell????
What are you talking about?
Most mobile phone cameras have a depth of field that is large enough to do most shots in "hyper focal" any way. So I do not see the use for such small sensors.
But it might be useful to capture 3D movies etc.
Infms: My 12 mpixel Nokia N8 has a pixel size of 1.75uM. Twenty-eight (28) months later HTC are raving about a 4 mpixel sensor with 2.0uM sized pixels? Riiight.
The Nokia N8 makes better images than any HTC currently on the market, thus it is correct if HTC raves about this, if it is only slightly better than the N8. Don't expect N808 quality, that would be too bulky and expensive.
maybe this is the camera phone the Lumia 920 was promised to be?
fyngyrz: I own the older Sigma 30mm f/1.4; its main problem is severe red/blue fringing everywhere but very near the center at f/1.4, which really hurts it for night shooting. Which is mainly what I wanted the f/1.4 for in the first place.
Hope they've addressed that. 30mm is just right for an APS-C camera; feels like a 50mm lens, pretty much.
I have it as well, returned the first, but the second is quite OK.
But on my Nikon D3100 is already large and heavy. (larger and heavier than the new 50mm F1.4 by Nikon) If they kept the size and weight, this will be a ridiculous lens for most micro43 bodies!
makofoto: The 920 already does a nice job with it's camera!
http://images60.fotki.com/v367/fileojpY/ef9dc/4/43793/4909192/JulianJrhighrez.jpg
did you downsize the picture to 0.5MP to hide the aggressive noise reduction? I think 2MP should be perfectly sharp, to be of use, but the output of the 920 clearly shows lack of detail at 2MP. (and the 8MP is just useless, the 808 is way sharper at 38MP, than the 920 is at 8MP)
Display name for fame: the only reason I d get a phone running an MS OS would be the 41 mpxl cam which I see is a good one.
absolutely nothing else would make me do that.
if you don't like WP8, you can just as well buy the 808, Symbian is not that bad, it's just outdated.
Hobbit13: I'm happy I bought a Nokia 808, instead of waiting for the 920! My 808 can easily compete with a Canon S90 high-end compact. While the output of the 920 can only compete with compacts in the $75 range!
If only the 808 would have had stabilization.....
oeps, 808 link:
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/otggyap81i6nf40/2012-12-18-0269.jpg
Jostian: geez, photo IQ, even after update is HORRIBLE, can't believe Nokia cannot get the camera right in the 920 especially after t he brilliant cams in the N8 and Pureview??? The photos have no detail whatsoever!!!
I think using the camera module of the 808 would not only make the 920 too large, but also way too expensive. And the 920 already is rather expensive. But it is unacceptable that the 920 does worse than the N8 in quite some situations....
Hobbit13: I'm happy I bought a Nokia 808, instead of waiting for the 920! My 808 can easily compete with a Canon S90 high-end compact. While the output of the 920 can only compete with compacts in the $75 range!
If only the 808 would have had stabilization.....
Compare these two shots of the Hamburg State Hall, taken with the 808 and the S90:
808: https://dl.dropbox.com/s/xynces8vnlzewd7/IMG_7283.jpg
S90: https://dl.dropbox.com/s/xynces8vnlzewd7/IMG_7283.jpg
both processed in Lightroom, for the S90 from RAW with lens corrections enabled. For the 808 it's from the full res JPEG @ 95% quality.
The 808 has much less noise, and does not suffer from chromatic aberration. Further more the detail is much higher.
Perhaps the S95 is a bit better than the S90, but the difference cannot be that large.
In scenes with more dynamic range the S90 will be in favor, but for this scene the 808 clearly is the winner!