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ProfHankD: The interesting thing is the lack of comments about the griplessness of this camera. I'm sure it feels nice to touch, but doesn't it proceed to slide out of your hand when you try to pick it up?
I don't really care to read an overly long diatribe. Keep it short, thanks.
JDThomas: I like the fact that the lenses are starting to get bigger than the cameras. Everyone is always going on about how they want a light compact camera, but then they insist on having these enormous fast lenses. Where's you're weight savings gonna be when your lugging around a 90mm f/2?
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stevens37y: What about chroma key compositing with blue/green background? You can use any picture as a background.
Too much work...
artwine: Lesson 1 - which should be obvious by now - is that if you post anything on the Internet, anywhere, then it's now in the public domain. You have relinguished your rights to it, in essence. If you don't like it, don't post! There's a price to pay for "advertising".
Maybe it's just me, but I think the OP was "tongue-in-cheek". Kinda sarcasm, but sadly with some truth to it.
KodaChrome25: Reddit demographic: as of May 2013, the median Reddit user is male (59%), 25–34 years of age, and is connecting from the United States (68%).
What more needs saying?
It's like being surprised by the DPReview demographic: armchair attorneys, armchair art critics, armchair media critics, and armchair journalists.
You forgot armchair photographers. ;)
Didn't read that. Too long. Sorry.
he says, and I quote, "doesn't it proceed to slide out of your hand when you try to pick it up?"
This infers that when you pick up the camera it immediately slides out of your hand. Try reading for comprehension and not trying to defend his post by using semantics.
I'm not defending a camera. It's simply dumb to assume that you can't pick up a camera because it will proceed to slide out of your hand if you even TRY.
If he said that about ANY camera on the market I'd make the same comment.
I've been shooting mirrorless for years my friend. Leica M system. I was also an early adopter of the XPro-1.
Haha, how the mirrorless set does get upset when they think they're being attacked. Settle down guys.
Comparing weight with AP-S cameras and lenses makes more sense. a D3300 body is only 410g 35mm is 210g50mm is 185g85mm is 350g
ldog: I applaud Barnaby's honesty. As an owner of a Leica M240 I have experienced some of the frustrations that he addresses in the T review. Contrary to Ivan's assertion real shooters do buy and use Leica but it's usually a love-hate relationship. Unless the M240 is used with the machine age technology rangefinder it is too slow for dynamic professional use. The M240 EVF cycle time is nearly a full second making it nearly useless except for studio or landscape work. I shoot weddings and could never use this camera responsibly. I have just purchased a Sony A7s which is a joy to use with the Leica glass and is delivering what I'd hoped that the M240 would bring. The EVF is excellent, bright and it allows me to focus quickly and surely. The A7s's EVF cycle time is instant and the camera is fast, intuitive and a total joy to use. The A7s proves that a pro level mirrorless camera is possible and that Leica has no excuse for their sophomoric human interface. Way to go Barnaby!
If you can't operate " the machine age technology rangefinder" quickly and accurately that's on you the photographer, not the camera.
I just shot my sister's wedding solely with an M9 and a 50 Lux with no problems at all. I shoot concerts with it as well. And portraits. I've even shot Moto GP riders going by me at over 150mph with an M9. "Dynamic professional use" can be had with any Leica M as long as the photographer is competent with his knowledge of how manual focusing works.
There's a little handgrip right there on the front. What more do you need? It's not like it's a 2 pound camera.
I like the fact that the lenses are starting to get bigger than the cameras. Everyone is always going on about how they want a light compact camera, but then they insist on having these enormous fast lenses. Where's you're weight savings gonna be when your lugging around a 90mm f/2?
I wasn't defending the ergonomics of a camera (that would be stupid, why would an inanimate object need defending). I was pointing out the ridiculousness of the statement, which portends that since a camera is made out of aluminum it will automatically slip from the hand.
Yes. It's as impossible to hold as a greased pig.
Seriously? You act like aluminum has no tactile properties that can actually allow the human hand o hold it. When was the last time you tried to pick up a MacBookPro and utterly failed because it was too slippery?
Truth be told chromed wrenches are much slicker than aluminum. Have you haver had trouble holding a wrench?
Paul P K: The discussion on this lens is a bit like those on the Nikon DF.
Instead of looking what it can do in it's own right, people are (without having used or handled it) judging and condemning it on what they think it should be, cost or perform like, and only can see what it looks like.Similar to eg a car it should besides its looks also be judged upon what's under the hood/ how it performs for what it's intended for.
And no, its characteristics can not be imitated with a 1.4/85 (I have one and tried to do so without success), nor can a similar effect be achieved by a cheaper lens with a different design (yes, it can be achieved with eg Helios lenses, but where I live there just as expensive as a Petzval), or a Lensbaby (only the Edge would qualify based on its focal length, had one as well and no it doesn't)
And like JDThomas says, no, once you bought it, you're not condemned to use it as your only lens for the rest of your life, it's part of a system with interchangeable lenses !
That's beside the point. Can you tell whether a camera is magnesium framed or polycabonate framed from the picture?
Probably not, but if you dropped it you'd know for sure.
bartjeej: Good article, I'm sure the issue will become clearer for a lot of folks.
One request though; could you PLEASE not contribute to the already much too pervasive myth that the word 'bokeh' only refers to the quality of the blur and not the quantity? It simply means blur, and you can have lots or little blur/bokeh just like you can have pleasant or unpleasant blur/bokeh. 'The quality of the blur' would be 'boke(h)-aji'. Just a little pet pieve of mine :)
To most people's thinking "bokeh" = pro.
They should make special lenses for bokeh addicts. No aperture settings. Wide open all the time.
JDThomas: Summary of the comments:
"This lens isn't ultra sharp and the bokeh is ugly. I hate it, therefore it should not exist. Damn people who want to try different things upset me. Everything should look the same. Lumpy black cameras and completely out of focus images with smooth bokeh is the ONLY way to shoot otherwise you're a poseur or a hipster."
Guess what? Spend YOUR money on what YOU like and stop worrying about what other people are spending their money on. At the end of the day I don't care what other photographers think anymore (especially the angry nerds on the forums). I shoot for me and my clients. They don't know the difference between "good" or "bad" bokeh (and that in and of itself is subjective). My clients know what they like. And some think the swirly bokeh is interesting.I think the swirly bokeh is great for some things. I have an early Leica Summar that's quite swirly and the results are different than every cookie-cutter "perfect portrait" that you see on flickr.
You're equating buying a camera lens with spending money on child prostitutes and other ILLEGAL activities?
That makes NO sense at all. What's wrong with supporting a lens manufacturer? NOTHING. Lens manufacturers aren't in the same class as pimps, drug dealers, and crooks.
@Paul P K: There's almost no point in trying to have a coherent discussion on camera websites anymore. No matter what the subject someone will go off on a tangent.
I kinda wish the comment sections would be hidden away with the forums so I could just read the reviews and move on, but like a car wreck, I can't look away and I always get drawn into it. It's my own fault, but damn, there are some truly ignorant people on here.
stevens37y: In that time this lens was revolutionary. Petzval József used a kind of neurological computer (10 members of the Austrian army) to calculate the lens parameters.
Of course I would never buy such a thing now it would be pretty boring if all my pictures had the same kind of distorsion.
How many toy lenses made out of brass did you find?