Credit where's the credits due, Canon do in fact give us true innovation in optics with this one and these are far and few in between these days. Good work, guy, pls get working on the sensor please
New, am I being bemused, even back in old days when we toil long and hard hours inside the darkroom, a real darkroom, we have equipment to measure color and density of prints already and the same densitometer and colorimeter ( spectro-photometer ) in various form had been used in photo, cine, industrial, medical, research, academic, and military operations for decades.
So really I guess there's SOMETHING NEW everyday under the sun ; or is it ??
Franka T.L.: yeah … but how many native f1.4 lens do we have for Sony FE range, if we talk AF we are talking that, right and how about Canon EF lens with appropiate adapter doing , yhat need to be investigated
I must say the article title somewhat misleading here
Oh in addition, I think the test would benefit by testing the same low light AF performance using the mid range lens Sony have , the f4.0 Zoom(s) , the Cine specific 28-135 and well whatever that might be of interest to the more wider user populace.
Well to clarify, the like of D750 and Pentax K-3 II, and a number of others which do AF down to say, -3EV , do it as a body; that is they can do it with all compatible lens, not just fast lens. So in this case when the title say the A7R-II can match or best DSLR in low light , for AF , is to me rather misleading, as it imply the camera by itself can do that and obviously reader would assume this mean all lens ( in native mount ). Picture this, many use the camera with a set of the Sony f/4.0 Zoom , or would want to use the newly released 90 Macro ,, Might be if the tile had a secondary line added like " when and if fast lens are used " or something along that
Well , to be fair to Sony, those mentioned fast native lens now we have do cover the nominal wide to Long Focal , and that's the good news. The bad news of course is if you are not one who use these or need different coverage then .. well .. I do use the classic trio but many do not these days.
yeah … but how many native f1.4 lens do we have for Sony FE range, if we talk AF we are talking that, right and how about Canon EF lens with appropiate adapter doing , yhat need to be investigated
zodiacfml: Because the launch price was not in touch with the current market. The current change puts it similarly to an a6000, but that comes with an EVF, better AF, and better video. Still, it seems that the a6000 is a better buy.
A modest launch price should put it at $100 more than the GR.
Previously, I suggested a 24MP Sony sensor for the GR2. Yet, I realized it doesn't add value, only to improved the 35mm crop mode feature and will make the camera a bit slower due to the larger files. High ISO improvement is not practically huge.
to me the advantage of the GR is no longer with the GR-II when compared to like of like with the same time frame. The old 16MP sensor is now the bottleneck of performance which is what the likely buyer will be checking against. Don't even bother just with the A6000 , but take a look at the like of Panasonic GM-5 together with the 15mm or even just the Sony A5100 with the 20mm. Hey Samsung NX-500 with their 20mm is not that bad either.
The GR was launched as an up to date imaging hardware platform together with ricoh unique GR approach to UI and imaging ( soft side ) but the GR-II lack the first part and not much improved in the latter. So we are looking at what's more like a GR 1.25 instead of a II
Wild Light: Hasselblads Carerra is not the H. It is the original 500 and 200 designs, the best medium format design in history. It is, IMO, possibly the best ever camera and lenses ever and it is a design that the entire customer base was passionate about.
Hasselblad lost it's way entirely and to stick with the Porsche analogy, Porsche had enough sense not to follow it's 924, 928 design and go back to the 911. The H is the 928. Heavy, ugly, bigger and a mistake that should be ended!
Ok had to admit that for a time in those days I do drive a 924 and to be frank its way better than the ( then current ) 911 of same period .. similar with Porsche though this class of product is a lot about specialist and niche and if they can't match the niche need, then no matter how they try to model it , it will not sell
From all the articles and information now thus far surfaced; it seems to me there's still linger some Question regarding the optics. Ok so it essentially serve a dual purpose, or tri if you like, an imaging part ( your typical traditional lens ) ; a collimater part which align the incidence ray and a field flattener. Actually none of them are anything new, but Dxo did innovate in bringing them together in a new miniaturized package.
I did have 1 Q though, is there any soft correction on the RAW level as the wording seems like that's how they do it or is the RAW really just the actual imaged optical projection the lens delivered to the sensor
didn't Canon recognize that people wanting such a all in one mega zoom most likely would also want the EVF build in, and for us whao are not into that mega zoom range , might be the RX10-II and the FZ-1000 just more practical
well getting still image from Cine really is nothing new , it was a common form of capturing action ever since way back in those early film days. Digital had give us layman mortals what I would say possibilities. 8MP grab from 4K is cool. But I think lower MP grab with faster frame rate should not be ignored. Say the recently launched Sony RX10-II do 960 FPS at 1080P, Ok that's only what 2MP+ but if you need to capture the shoot , then its still good and 1080P still FHD already.
Andreas Voigt: $3200? Is Sony trying to kill their moderately successful a7 camera line?
Anything priced above $2500 is doomed to failure.
have to note that all the A7 variant since the original A7 are still cataloged and indeed even as OLD as the A7 goes its still going to be viable option today vs a many APS-C or even FF of todays. The A7R-II , is better seen as Sony's effort to keep pushing it up market and its very apparent in its Video implementation. That said I think Sony miss some of the very basics like uncompressed or lossless compression on RAW, dual memory card slots ( that's easy to get to ).
Well Samsung NX1 and now A7R-II VSI finally made it big ( literally ) .. really its quite an achievement by both of the S teams .. can't wait to see how well the BSI would work out on this sensor. Canon really can feel the heat now I would wager
I think Sony really deserve credit for the hard work they put in. First RX-1, then A7 series. Not only did they dare to fiffer from DSLR but also differ from established mirrorless too
iAPX: And why not a "modern anachronism" or even an Uchronia?!?
Maybe in this world of multi-purpose tool, it's weird something that just want to do one thingg: taking Black & White photos, and doing it well (I prefer to forget the video mode! lol). But I really think it's interesting to consider, and I wonder if Fuji or others will challenge Leica, with an interchangeable-lens Black & White camera, with an hybrid eyefinder.
Humbly agree, in principal, but not in this case as fact fir fact because that Mod.246 just do not elevate its imaging bracket of performance vs the Mod.240 as such that it warrant the premium. A lot of the price thus must be in the exclusiveness and uniqueness of the product rather than its actual ability as a photographic equipment. And being an old Leica owner user I still fail to see the point .. I'll just go back to my old trusty standard
Poweruser: I cant afford it but it is a beautiful machine compared to the plastic blobs out of Asia.
One thing I find interesting is this metal fetish among all .. now go talk to the PRO guys in F1, Pro Cycling, and even Tennis , sorry but metal while are very good, does not made them always better
After all said, though , its the end result that dictate .. and here the argument really break down. AA filter, well you can have a color enabled sensor without one today , try A7R or .. the reality is ; that sensor in the M.246 is still the same basic sensor as that inside the Mod 240 and DR, resolving power is no difference. What do differentiate is the higher native base ISO due to the lack of the color filter. That all said and done, B&W is more about the total process ( read Ansel Adam's 3 basic text book ). Big question is whether Leica had develop a specific B&W only A to D converter that can take advantage of the capture and having a specific panchromic / B&W RAW engine as well as a JPEG engine of similar that give that specific B&W uniqueness. So far I've seen no such .. That made using the Mod 240 ( with color info ) , capture on RAW , and specific soft development no less different than using the Mod 246 bad the difference in exposure and native base ISO
so somebody re-invent the good old pistol grip ( sort of ) which we had since way back ( before WW-II for film camera of all sorts ) but they forget the cable release ( or could it be NFC / BlueTooth release instead now ). I suppose they have not take a look at something like Sony's GP-VPT-1 which is a combi Mini Table tripod / trigger control for its camcorder
terence_boylen: blah blah blah
Canon's DR sucks
blah blah blah
Seriously though, this is good news. The cheap 50s from all the big players are great for people wanting to experience 'fast glass' and the sharpness of primes. The mkii had some of the lowest aberration of any Canon lens I've used. This can only be a step in the right direction.
And its good for everyone as it puts pressure on the competition to make them improve too.
Now we need some of similar caliber ( price, feature, optical performance ) for all the mirrorless. So far Only Samsung been able to offer such in the form of 30mm/2.0. While I would say Oly's 25/1.8 certainly up to the task in term of performance its price is also out of league vs such as the Nikkor and Canon 50/1.8
108: I would choose Nikon FF over Canon FF from a body perspective but my brother-in-law long time connaisseur of Canon gear keeps hammering that one has to decide from a lens perspective and here Canon's the best . This late 50 mm stm seems to strengthen his view .Any thoughts from Canikon users ?
I have the Nikon G 50/1.8 and I think it work very good indeed , and before that I have the Manual Focus Nikkor 50/1.8 and it still work great .. I would figure Canon's update would address some of the issue the old lens have when faced with challenge like Digital and High MP sensor. But then when faced with the reality that those old 50/1.8 ( both Nikon and Canon ) are literally decades old ( the EF 50/1.8-II itself already 25 years old ). It would be too early to judge the lens, but I see no reason why Nikon's current are in any way handicapped.
really looking like Nikon finally heading the right direction with the J5. It even eclipses the V3 in many areas. Now we need some for real good optics among the 1 Nikkor range