Master Yoda: A lot of us have been waiting for a fast super wide lens for the APC and 4/3rds cameras that's not a fish-eye and is reasonably affordable! If the subsequent review specs say it's at least decent a lot of people will be all over this thing!
You need a lens for your APC? Doesn't all the armour get in the way?! ;p
trulandphoto: This might just be my next EOS-M lens. But do I get EF mount so I can use it with my 7D and the adapter on the EOS-M or the EF-M mount version?
@zevobh: I'm not surprised they're looking at buying a manual focus lens either ;)
stevens37y: dpreview.com member.
Someone obsessed with photographic equipment but with little or no interest in the art of photography.
Is that why you're here?
Sorry, too easy.
dpalugyay: Give me a call, Adobe, when you stop renting your software and stop losing my confidential information. Maybe I'll come back.
In the meantime, I've found DXO Optics Pro 9 and Capture One Pro 7 that both kick Lightroom 5's butt, and my CS6 still works great on my Tiff exports.
... and if you haven't tried the new "Prime" noise reduction mode in DxO 9 give it a go - I'm amazed by just how good it is!
It's not as fast as the old NR mode (which is still the default mode), but the results can be amazing ...
Please can we have the D800E added to the test scene too?
Jonne Ollakka: As a smart phone, the PowerShot seems slightly limited to me. As a camera, the Nokia is really great and on par with alot of these cheap compacts.
The S120 isn't a cheap compact though, image quality on the S120 is significantly better than the compact camera average.
Go over to main DPReview, and have a play with the studio scene comparison.
Try the Nokia 808, the Canon S110, and then compare with (say) the FujiFilm Finepix XP30.
A very cool app, but the title's misleading IMO:"Nokia's post-capture focus app Refocus now available for all Pureview smartphones"
The 808 is unquestionably a Pureview smartphone. This app isn't Symbian compatible though.
I wouldn't quibble with "Windows based Pureview smartphones".
Please make it sharp at 600mm Tamron!
So many of the long zooms are at their softest at the long end; yet that's where I always seem to want to use them...
Yes, yes, I know; learn fieldcraft young grasshopper. A fair point Yoda, but... I'd still like it sharpest at 600mm :)
Looking at the right hand side of this sample, I'm wondering whether this lens is slightly de-centered?
The background houses on the right of the frame look very blurred compared to things I think are a similar distance away from the camera on the left hand side.
Which leads me to the question: Does DPReview run any form of test on the lenses before they're used?
I understand this is a can of worms™ you'd be opening; do you review based on a tested good sample or on the supplied and tested bad sample etc. If you only use the tested good lenses, do you report how many failures you had to go through before you found a good sample. Etc.
I know you reported on the Canon S100's lens issues, but that was an integrated lens.
Ben O Connor: An amazing blend of enthusiast compact camera.
- The best EVF on the class (which has brought from most popular MFT cam)- more than 10 times zoom with constant 2.8 apetture. - Class leading 1/ 1,7 compact sensor (Olympus made three cam with same sensor also Pentax used the same recipy)- A super macro and Super tele in the same body. -Its a flat camera when the lens is closed (Many VF superzooms aren´t ) -Has a hot shue, which match for other olympus product, which are affordable. -Wifi is avaliable.
I simply can´t find enought superlatives. Very well done olympus. Maybe I would put one complain that 28mm is not wide enought compare to 24mm, or could even be 22mm... but as long as there is panorama option, its not the end of the world.
Very well done olympus.
I thought that, until I looked at the samples posted; the samples really do not look good at 100%.
I'll wait until I see some converted RAW images before I write it off completely, but based on the JPEGs it's a non-starter IMO.
Thank you for publishing this really useful comparison, and using the high resolution mode - this is exactly the comparison I was looking for :)
Bad news for Nokia, I'll stick with my 808!
Vitruvius: I am finding it very difficult to set focus acurratly with night shots and large apertures. You can't just turn it to the infinity end because the lenses go past infinity and the foreground becomes out of focus. Of course the camera can't autofocus most of the time. And the the new lenses aren't designed for manual focus work since rotating the ring just 1mm has a big impact on the focal distance. Lots of time consuming test shot trial and error.
It can be difficult. If you're using a recent Canon dSLR, I strongly recommend you download Magic Lantern (from: magiclantern.fm) and experiment with the live-view settings in there.
It is possible to set it up so you can focus on the stars manually in live-view if you experiment with the MovieHacks/FPSoverride settings and DisplayTweaks/LVbrightness.
If nothing else, it makes proper low light photography with live view possible in a way it really wasn't before.
I should mention that there is a possibility you'll brick your camera with it. I haven't, nor has anyone else I know, but there's always a first time! As with all these things, it's best to practice and experiment with these things a lot before you need to use it in earnest.
It strikes me that the built in shutter would be useful for a film based homebrew camera.
HB 101: Also, can you spell Sony RX100 killer?
S o n y R X 1 0 0 k i l l e r
El Pix: Spectacle wearers (and others): don't forget a small, watchmakers screwdriver to tighten those little screws that always seem to come loose at the worst possible times!
No point, airline security always confiscate those as soon as you try and go anywhere...
One of the few advantages that X-Trans is supposed to bring is less moiré; yet it's not doing very well with that currency, is it?
To date this looks like one of the best attempts I've seen at rendering X-Trans files though, so my hat's off to PictureCode!
I just wish the trade-off with X-Trans wasn't an almost complete lack of chroma detail... I like colour detail.
I guess I'm the person Fujifilm made the XA-1 for ;)
Roland Karlsson: Interesting.
I wonder how it performs if it is applied to a rather good lens, like an average zoom kit lens?
Unlikey to be applied to any real lenses anytime soon. With the possible exception of the lens-cap lens that joe6pack mentions.
One lens element that's mathematically simple, is a few orders of magnitude easier to correct than a collection of many different (often complex) lens elements moving independently.
For the time being, DxO is your best bet!
Lan: The obvious question is: Why?
Is this going to be optically better than the other cine lenses already on sale? Very unlikely.
Much better built? No.
Is it much cheaper than the other cine lenses? Clearly not.
Will it have a bigger ecosystem of lenses with matched "feel"? Again, that's almost undoubtedly a "no".
What advantages does this bring to the market? Is there even one thing that's significantly better than the competition? If they do have something, they need to inform marketing about it - because I'm not seeing it!
This looks very much like a hopelessly late, desperate leap to jump onto a really shiny bandwagon that was last seen rolling past a few months ago...
I'd wait for these in the sales bin. Along with the battered remnants of Kenko/Tokina in due course...
@ Francis, current rates suggest roughly: £3671 or $5874USD at launch. How much that'll drop once they've stopped trolling for the early adopters I don't know. Quite a long way I hope!
@ Jahled: I'm hoping we find out that the price is a misprint...
The obvious question is: Why?
Artistico: Why would you consider 8 megapixels "underwhelming" compared to Nokia's 41 or Sony's 20? After all, we should all know by now that 8 megapixels are much better at these sensor sizes.
@ Artistico: If the sensors were the same size, that would be true.
The thing is, the sensor in the Nokia 808 is *significantly* larger than any of the iPhone sensors, even that of the new flagship iPhone 5S.
The sensor is so much larger in the 808 that the pixels are actually roughly the same size in both devices (I believe 1.4um in the 808, 1.5um in the 5S) - but due to the size difference between the sensors the Nokia has an extra 30 *million* more pixels of the same size!
Assuming the lenses are of comparable quality (and I wouldn't bet on the unbranded iPhone lens being better than the Carl Zeiss branded lens on the Nokia 808), you should be able to get way more usable detail out of the Nokia.