KW Phua: So what is the future of photography? Mirrorless, DSLR or iPhone?
I can't image future cameras having a flipping mirror box. After using my full frame A7r that is much smaller than my APS-C DSLRs I will never again purchase a camera with a mirror. I also enjoy getting stills from my GH4 4K videos.
Joe Ogiba: 40.96x21.6mm sensor , 8192 x 4320 pixels @60fps stills or 75fps widescreen Cinema 8K video, now that is the ultimate hybrid !
Ok, if using widesreen Cinema 8K gets you all bent out of shape then how about 2.40:1 aspect ratio 8K video for making movies to be shown in a cinema. DPR forum is a friggen war zone.
Lenses to cover a 62mm image circle :https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2943/15138812000_73af839812_h.jpg
40.96x21.6mm sensor , 8192 x 4320 pixels @60fps stills or 75fps widescreen Cinema 8K video, now that is the ultimate hybrid !
Wow, it looks like the old world DSLR still shooters are getting all bent out of shape of the NX1. It is now 2015 and 4K video is the future but it looks like DPR is filled with PHOTOGRAPHY ONLY fanboys that hate were the world is going to.
I bet the demographics of owners of the Nikon Df is about the same as viewers of Faux News, 60+ white males that want to live in the past.
Everlast66: I am surprised how the NX1 (£1300 in the UK) got a higher mark for 'value' compared to the K3 (£700) and K5 II (£500) that have half its price?!?
Supposedly it has 2-3 times more/better features for its price to get a higher mark for value.
Indeed it has some unique features like the BSI APSC sensor, powerful processior, 4K video, but the K3 and K5 II have some features that the NX1 lacks, like in-body stabilisation, Pentax shooting modes, some unique ergonomic touches and the available lens line-ups are not even comparable.
You are comparing old Pentax DSLRs at fire sale prices to the new NX1 that blows away any APS-C camera on the planet.
TO Photo: I think this camera is aimed at a very different demographic than the typical DPR poster - a market much younger and more diverse. Why 4K video - because you can extract 8 MP stills from the stream and still have a video to down convert for a website. Potential users of this camera may be upgrading from using smart phones and tablets to get more control over image quality particularly under difficult conditions. You have to think new media users not traditional photographers or videographers.
I shoot 4K UHD with my GH4 to get 8mp still from the video stream. https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2927/14101055829_c7cfbbc6a6_o.jpghttps://vimeo.com/96644118
The GH4 and Samsung NX1 are light years better then the XC10 as hybrid still/video cameras IMHO.
ozturert: This is Canon, so it must be bad :)Typical DPR user :)
Right, this camera is the ultimate still/video camera but people hate it because it's a Canon. Canon fanboys are something else.
lacikuss: Good starting point for convergence, first cam I see with this type of ergonomics which is IMO huge. I bet Canon is going to sell thousands of these...
Thousands ? Will you be one of them ?
When Vincent Laforet posted his video "Reverie" shot with the Canon 5D MK II in 2008 it knocked my socks off. The XC10 in 2015 is not that type of event IMHO.
ET2: FS7 is not only half the price but does 4K at 60 fps. C300 only does 30 fps 4K
E-mount can not oly use all Canon lenses, but it can use speedbooster adapter, giving it full-frame look, something C300 cannot do due to the mount limitation.
FS7 can use not only Canon lenses, but also Nikon, and Leica M mount lenses, PL lenses, and native e-mount lenses, all at same time. The user isn't stuck to one mount.
C300 does 120 fps only in crop mode. FS7 does 180s fps in full sensor mode.
This is really no contest.
FS7 wins easy
The only full frame camcorder is the Sony VG900 that came out in 2012 that shoots 1080p60 and 24mp raw stills. A 4K version should be coming soon since Sony already has a full frame 28-135mm Cine lens with power zoom for E mount full frame cameras.
W4YNE 1: I wonder if this is why Canon never installed 4k video in a 5D mk4 camera?
Is it Canons logic that If the consumer wants a 4K video camera why not make them buy two, one camera for video and one for stills."greater profits"
I'm affraid if I was in the market for a video I think I would seriously consider the Panasonics GH4 with It's 4k video and decent stills over this offering from Canon.
The Canon 1D C does 4K. I agree, the GH4 is a much better hybrid stills/video camera.
hayely: My dream camera - Canon XC10 (20?), APS-C sensor, $ 2000.
Samsung has the 18-200mm OIS zoom for the 4K NX1.
xval: From bhphotovideo.com: $2,500 This price puts it far beyond enthusiasts reach. For this price there are better alternatives for video and for photo (and both). I don't see autofocus specs, which probably means it's not dual-pixel phase detectors, most likely contrast based, nothing to talk about.
So it looks to me like a niche product designed for pro drones shooting. Hard to imagine a journalist shooting 4K with compact camera...
Why use a slow zoom lens on a drone ? A wide angle prime lens is what you want on a drone. Pro drones use the 4K GH4 with 12mm f2 prime lens.
Donnie G: It's wonderful to see the trolls whipped up into a feeding frenzy over Canon's XC10 multi-media camera, especially since, on this site, that usually means that Canon has hit another grand slam home run out of the marketplace ballpark. Canon's fresh approach to camera design ergonomics, distilled from their Cinema EOS cameras, is a very clear indication of the form any mirrorless EOS DSLR replacement will take in the future. Imagine a mirrorless EOS Rebel with no need of a battery draining EVF and no need for a mirror box to support an OVF because it would have a simple removable eye loupe that attaches directly to the live view display. You would control the sensor display from the grip via a joystick when the loupe is attached. Ah, but first things first. :))
Wow, what a great idea, put a loupe like this on the $800 Samsung NX500 4K camera that has a huge 28mp APS-C sensor !
petr marek: Convergence, big deal... What a marketing article!It´s just camcorder with relatively small sensor. Cameras like GH4, NX1 or A7s are more balanced with real covergence between photo and video, larger sensor and interchangeable lenses.It´s really not about the shape or handle.
My full frame Sony VG900 camcorder that I purchased in 2012 has more stll/video convergence than the xc10 since it shoots 24mp raw images. My GH4 and A7r also shoot great stills and video so what exactly does the xc10 do that no other camera does ?
Samsung 28mp APS-C 4K NX1 body $1,299 , Samsung 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 Power Zoom ED OIS Lens $349. Keep dreaming if you think Canon will match that.
The Straw Man: Cue the Canon haters and the FS7 price comparos. If you think $16,000 is overpriced, you're clearly not the target. This is going to be THE camera for news, reality TV, commercials, documentaries and low budget films - basically the categories the Cinema line currently dominates.
The C100/300 was/is a huge hit, the Mark II drops with 4k, new AF, better codec, 10-bit internal, more DR, more color settings and so on. Plus the lens ecosystem is far better than Sony. And you don't get the ugly Sony colors.
Looking forward to footage.
B&H shows 63 native APS-C E mount lenses , 23 native full frame E mount lenses and 66 native E mount Cine lenses. With adapters any APS-C or full frame lens will work with the FS7. With speedbooster adapters you gain a stop when using full frame lenses.
EOSHD : " Why will enthusiasts and aspiring filmmakers be disappointed? Well the answer is the XC10. The XC10 is just not what we want."
He does like the $16K 4K C300 that ships September 2015 but I bet there will be many more 4K camera choices by then from Sony, Panasonic and others.
Why it's a big deal ? Because Canon gets a premium price for their 4K cameras . Do you think Canon would come out with 4K APS-C cameras like Samsung at the prices Samsung is charging ?