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Nokia's 41MP Lumia 1020 looks impressive

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These results are only provisional as the lighting level is the test scene has been adjusted since the other phones were shot.

Despite the lower lighting level, the Nokia is able to out-perform its rivals by a healthy margin. Fine detail is better maintained and the image is generally "cleaner." This benefit (that comes from a combination of a larger sensor and the noise-reducing effect of downscaling images), is one of the significant advantages of Nokia's decision to use a large sensor in a smartphone. Whether you look at the resolution stripe on the left of the image or the etched portrait on the right, the 1020 is significantly out-performing its rivals.

We plan to re-shoot the rival phones, to make the low-light scene more directly comparable.

Conclusion

We can only truly give very a preliminary conclusion at this point based on a day of playing with the device, but we are excited about what we've seen so far. 

One of our favorite initial aspects of using the Lumia 1020 was the grip accessory. Priced at $79, the gadget is bound to be popular amongst mobile photography fanatics.

From an imaging perspective, the Lumia 1020 appears to be just what we'd hoped: a more advanced version of the PureView technology that blew us away when we first saw it on the 808. And this time around, the Lumia 1020 has even more to offer the photographer who wants to use their mobile as a serious camera. From OIS to an even faster lens to that add-on camera grip that nearly had us convinced we were using a "real" camera, the Lumia 1020 seems to offer a lot of potential. Our initial trials with the device's auto mode don't explore the Lumia 1020 fully; we need to delve further into the camera's actual imaging capabilities: it's here that we'd like to see what this camera can do. 

We'll look forward to sharing a full gallery of Lumia 1020 images soon, and a more thorough review of the camera as soon as we can. 

Comments

Total comments: 227
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CLIFF CHEN
By CLIFF CHEN (3 months ago)

the design with camera cap effect avoid from shock or drop by accident.
It is soft ,can fold, feeling cute gadget to lumia 1020,you may google: gadget2us

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Torgrims
By Torgrims (Aug 12, 2013)

"We'll look forward to sharing a full gallery of Lumia 1020 images soon, and a more thorough review of the camera as soon as we can."

This was like three weeks ago??? Wake up DPreview!

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Erin Lodi
By Erin Lodi (Sep 4, 2013)

We believe our reviews are the most thorough in the world, and worth doing right: http://connect.dpreview.com/post/5234892048/nokia-lumia-1020-camera-review

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km25
By km25 (Aug 11, 2013)

You cannot make a slik pruse from a sow's ear. Any good point and shoot would out do the all of the above.
For photographers maybe they should build a phone into the camera.

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Just another Canon shooter
By Just another Canon shooter (Aug 11, 2013)

Count me not impressed. Even the 5mp images, zoomed 100% do not look so great but overall, too bluish, exposure is off, etc. Samsung and Apple phones take better photos.

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OneMoreComment
By OneMoreComment (Aug 11, 2013)

There is also a noticeable light and sharpness drop off at the corners !!!

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Riezer
By Riezer (Aug 12, 2013)

No offense, but look again. The Nokia is MUCH better than the others. Check the print/etch, the money, the cotton balls. It's in another league!
I'd like to see it compared to cameras like the Panny LX7.

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OneMoreComment
By OneMoreComment (Aug 13, 2013)

Not offended but Nokia is "NOT" Sharper than competition it is only "Bigger" and specially off center things get worst.

The winner in page 2 (in terms of sharpness) is Samsung S4 , i don't think you can compare a phone with an SLR

Comment edited 12 minutes after posting
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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Jul 29, 2013)

Why to complain:

http://connect.dpreview.com/files/p/cms_posts/1305711237/WP_20130723_12_11_56_Pro__highres.jpg

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vv50
By vv50 (Jul 29, 2013)

because some can't read the words"seattle opera" above Ring?

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Aug 2, 2013)

Guess what, !! some idiots keep comparing cell-phone cameras with DSLR's or even advanced point and shoot cameras

Comment edited 12 minutes after posting
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vv50
By vv50 (Aug 3, 2013)

must you really keep incriminating yourself?

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Aug 3, 2013)

must you really keep exonerating yourself ??

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vv50
By vv50 (Aug 4, 2013)

bet you had to look that one up

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Aug 4, 2013)

Bet that i didn't !!

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KAllen
By KAllen (Jul 29, 2013)

In lots of ways it's an amazing device and for those that mostly live in social media world and might do the occasional print it's ok.
Probably even an overkill. Pixels quantity does not define picture quality . If picture quality is your goal and if you are buying because you think all those pixels add quality you are following the wrong path.
Little cameras like the Sony RX100 knock any phone for six in quality and handling, it also fits into a shirt pocket.
Nothing wrong with a phone that takes pictures, great for zapping to friends Facebook etc , No problem having a little camera with you as well.
The Nokia is not a tool you would choose if photography is your goal and you don't mind making an effort to get great shots with something more capable.
You can still make an effort and get great shots with this, but the ultimate quality is what limits it's usefulness, so why not make the effort with something better.
Forget pixels numbers they mean very little in reality.

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LuckyJ
By LuckyJ (Jul 29, 2013)

Trolling much? Read the review before commenting.

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vv50
By vv50 (Jul 29, 2013)

you're right, pixels mean very little in reality. to get a tool that you would choose if photography is your goal, you need to get a real camera which has a 1/16000 flash sync and an optically stabilized 28mm f/2.2 lens, not the nokia. why not make the effort with something better, right?

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Aug 2, 2013)

Something better and cheaper , Right ??

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vv50
By vv50 (Aug 3, 2013)

thank you for agreeing with me.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Aug 3, 2013)

i don't think so but as long as you are happy, let's pretend that i do !!!

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vv50
By vv50 (Aug 4, 2013)

haha no need to pretend

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Aug 4, 2013)

haha !!! why not it keeps you happy !!

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Jul 28, 2013)

Petro,

Your bed is really full of sheet. May I ask, how much do you get paid for the sheets that you are sharing to us?

Yours truly, Dear :rj

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Aug 2, 2013)

Don't judge by yourself, full of "sheet" is probably (not probably but DEFINITELY ) your comparison with DSLR's.
As i said above _"don't judge by yourself"- i'm not getting paid by ANYONE
There is really no need to be mine, .... Love ;-) PG

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kriztian
By kriztian (Jul 25, 2013)

The fiare is very easy to handle. Just put your hand over the edge of the phone. No big deal :)

2 upvotes
JKP
By JKP (Jul 25, 2013)

At full resolution, looks definitely to be more sharp than the the second best, Samsung S4. Scaled down to about same size as S4 and contrast & sharpness adjusted to match:

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/6371254956/photos/2638169/1020vss4

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 25, 2013)

I'm sorry but not even in 5mp comparison page this phone can't produce sharper image.
I believe that the Nokia should spent more time and money for a better lens, as this one does not fit the barking 41mp sensor, the corners -are- the shouting truth !!!

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JKP
By JKP (Jul 26, 2013)

The extreme corners are softer, but overall 38MP image is much sharper than S4.

If I buy this phone, I'll shoot at full resolution anyways and do the post processing on desktop, so 5MP doesn't matter.

For casual Facebook-shooting any phone camera is just fine. Instagram filters will blur corners anyways.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 30, 2013)

"The extreme corners are softer, but overall 38MP image is much sharper than S4."

Exactly. As I've explained at, among others, http://mynokiablog.com/2013/07/18/mnb-rg-nokia-1020-still-image-quality-any-good/ , it's only the outermost 10% on the both sides that suffer from reduced sharpness / CA. The inner 80% of the frame is tack sharp and absolutely devoid of CA.

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sfphotoarts
By sfphotoarts (Jul 25, 2013)

I was ready to be impressed by all the people on other forums saying how these high mp phones have full-frame dslp-like quality. These are dreadful! The noise reduction is so harsh it's painterly, but not in a good way. The noise is horrible, even with the noise reduction in those "low light" shots. Outdoors in bright light it's not terrible, looks about the same as the iPhone5, but compared to a real camera, dslr or mirrorless these are abysmal.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 30, 2013)

Don't use the 5Mp oversampled shots. They seem to be considerably worse than those of the 808, probably because of the simple (it's implemented purely in software and not in hardware) downsampling algorithm. Use the full-res mode and downsample during PP.

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mtj1993
By mtj1993 (Aug 2, 2013)

Why would you even compare a smartphone image to DSLR or mirrorless? You wouldn't ever get a phone over a DSLR if photography is your passion. You'd get it as a secondary device.
Gone through plenty of shots of this phone that have been uploaded to the web, and from these, this phone blows away any previous smartphone, and a good lot of Point and Shoots. Which is great news, there's no camera better than the one you have with you.
We're reaching the limit of current technology for mobile cameras, and we can't expect it to surpass DSLR's using the same technology on a larger and more dedicated scale.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 25, 2013)

What is really impressive at the comparison above, is the sharpness of Samsung Galaxy S4 specially at the corners where Nokia faces serious chromatic aberration .-

Comment edited 5 minutes after posting
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LuckyJ
By LuckyJ (Jul 25, 2013)

You must really be afraid of Nokia and WP because I've seen you commenting BS in every other tech site I've visited. I feel you man, it must be scary to see your precious Samsung fall apart around you. So helpless, nothing you can do.... Droid on you must...

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 26, 2013)

Dude !!! my 3 years old and 150€ phone (with its 3.15mp camera attached) does not worth talking about it. I frankly do not give a damn if it's in droid, windows or iOS (anything except Symbian is ok with me) .

BUT barking for 41 or 38 or 34mp on a cell phone with horrible optics and no optical zoom , to justify 800€ for a phone and specially by people who are already logged in and they re-signed in with a new account the day they are commenting just to like themselves , well that is "helpless" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment edited 6 minutes after posting
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vv50
By vv50 (Jul 26, 2013)

luckyj, there are those who can't see the forest for the trees

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 26, 2013)

..... and those who can't see the difference in sharpness ....... .

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 4 minutes after posting
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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 26, 2013)

....but they are talking about trees and forests !!!

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vv50
By vv50 (Jul 26, 2013)

people, please be kind to him, english isn't his first language

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 26, 2013)

It's ok vv, .... let the people express themselves !!!

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0lf
By 0lf (Jul 26, 2013)

Don't you see the extreme sharpness accentuation halos in the GS4 low ISO shot ?

And why so much importance in very extreme corners ?

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 27, 2013)

olf it is not the very extreme corners, it's the corners in general. Look at all the photos. The further the subject is away the worse the issues are. Even reduced in size the problem is still very noticeable. The same problem was noticeable in Nokia's own sample photos. The N96 lens was sharper in the corners than this. Pointless making a camera with this higher megapixel if you put such a poor lens on it.

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0lf
By 0lf (Jul 27, 2013)

the green thing on the studio shot is at least as sharp on the 5mp 1020 shot as with the GS4... without the oversharpening halos... Beyond the green thing, I call that extreme corner...

Comment edited 14 minutes after posting
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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 28, 2013)

Olf, from someone who studied lens design for his scientific and technical photography qualifications that is not classed as extreme corners. It is not just in the corners either and it runs into the sides as well.

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0lf
By 0lf (Jul 28, 2013)

What do you call extreme ?
I said extreme because the surface area is very low, and because you will not put important subjects in it (because of heavy perspective distortion).
I, and I think most ost people, will happily trade off sharpness in 5% non important area against vastly improved picture quality on 95% image area, included the most important ones.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 29, 2013)

0lf if only it were 5% but it is far from that. It's way into double figures. In some examples the loss starts quite early.

So how do you not put a landscape photo into the area of quality loss or a group shot of people to name just two examples?

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 30, 2013)

Exactly. As I've explained at, among others, http://mynokiablog.com/2013/07/18/mnb-rg-nokia-1020-still-image-quality-any-good/ , it's only the outermost 10% on the both sides that suffer from reduced sharpness / CA. The inner 80% of the frame is tack sharp and absolutely devoid of CA.

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Keith Sinrod
By Keith Sinrod (Jul 25, 2013)

Did Nokia fix preview vs. photo differences?

I have been using a Nokia Pureview 808 since last October.
When it cooperates, the photos it takes are excellent.

Unfortunately, what you see on the LCD preview isn't
necessarily what you'll get when you take the photo.
Under certain dramatic lighting conditions which happen
often outdoors, the actual photo can be very under or over
exposed, even though the preview was spot on. After
messing with exposure compensation, the photo
opportunity is often missed.

Also on USA versions of the 808, Nokia doesn't allow
the "camera sounds" to be disabled. Nothing worse
than hearing the beep of focus confirmation and
the "click" of taking the photo!

The 808 could have been a great little street shooter, but
these 2 problems really kill it for me. I sure hope the Nokia
1020 doesn't suffer from the same problems as the 808.

Please show the ISO selected and actual exposure comp
on the 1020.

Please get it right this time Nokia!

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Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 25, 2013)

Strange, I don't have the problem that you mention from preview to photo on my 808 (I am not saying that you don't have a problem).
The only thing that is (slightly) different on my preview ("liveview" image) compared to the final image is slightly more contrast (I read that they did it for visibility outdoors), but exposure is the same.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 25, 2013)

Are you both running the same software version on the camera?

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Keith Sinrod
By Keith Sinrod (Jul 25, 2013)

The preview vs. photo difference can be huge! If
I'm shooting outdoors on a bright sunny day, the
resulting photo can be up to 2 stops too dark
when the sun is behind me. My compact Pentax
and Sony cameras do not have this problem.

If I'm shooting on a cloudy day or indoors, the LCD
preview is reasonably accurate.

I tried using the Camera Pro app, but it doesn't
record the photo half the time!

How do I tell which version of the Camera app that's on my 808?

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peterku
By peterku (Jul 25, 2013)

I have 808 for one year now. It is possible to disable camera sound by some tweaking. It will just enable "disable camera sound" item in menu. Just google it. For me it is working, it survived even new firmware. For overexposing, underexposing. I noticed it few times, but I have feeling that with new firmware FP2 it is almost not happening. I'm just taking pictures and that is. For dramatic lighting condition I prefer Pureview mode for more dynamic range. I'm overall very satisfied with N808 pictures and after one year I have no plans to change it for something else. After I saw pictures from 1020 I will keep 808. Pictures from 1020 are much worse, more noise, more "painting like", washed details. I'm looking forward for full review of 1020 to be able to compare scene pictures with 808 pixel by pixel.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 27, 2013)

Interesting peterku about the painting effect. It looks similar to Fuji's issues. Do you think 808 has a better lens when it comes to the corner sharpness, especially on distant subjects?

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GirinoFumetto
By GirinoFumetto (Jul 25, 2013)

My eyes see a much better studio photo from iPad5 than from 1020; but I am looking at them as a camera owner and user.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jul 25, 2013)

Only in the corners, other than that, there's no comparison at the same output size (regardless which size that is).

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 25, 2013)

we should always compare same portion of an image for image quality.

pixel peeping tells us pixel quality. but since there is 7.6 times difference in pixel count, we have to multiply pixel quality by 7.6 times (in terms of area or incoming light) before we can compare image quality.

a simple way to do that is to down sample the 38MP image to 5MP (pixels get 7.6 times larger for easy comparison).

Comment edited 3 times, last edit 10 minutes after posting
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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 25, 2013)

"(Nokia offers a white paper that further explains the science of oversampling if you want to know more.)"

Does not EVERY camera which offers resolution lower than native (i.e. practically every camera) do the same?

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Zdman
By Zdman (Jul 25, 2013)

Mostly True, but not many camera's have 41million pixels (34 really) to work with. Your average 16mp apc sensor is only going to give a 2mp image (stilll quite useable though). Also beleive it or not not all camera oversample properly for lower res images. Some line skip like they do for video and end up with similar aliasing effects. I imagine they do this for the increased speed of the smaller sampling size.

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siberstorm27
By siberstorm27 (Jul 25, 2013)

If the dual-core snapdragon isn't powerful enough to process a 5MP+34MP shot at once without taking six seconds between shots, they should just queue up raw photos in a buffer in memory like some cameras do and set the thread priority to low so that there won't be any lag or delays when shooting with the camera app. Speed is extremely important for mobile photography. The 34MP pictures are 10MB a piece and expand to around 100MB when uncompressed. There are 2GB of memory on this thing, a whole GB more than all other WP8 phones. It can handle a dozen raw images in a buffer at least. You won't get immediate satisfaction when trying to view a photo right after taking it, but taking the shot first and taking many shots one right after another without delay is more important than immediate viewing.

Make it happen in your next update Nokia.

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utomo99
By utomo99 (Jul 24, 2013)

Nokia 808 is good. What if Nokia try to make pocket camera with big sensor ? 1/1.7 what we can expect ?

Nokia Mobile phone sales is not good now, Nokia must consider this opportunity ;)

1 upvote
xarcex
By xarcex (Jul 24, 2013)

Impressive.

I wonder what Nokia is going to do to complete with Sony's Honami and its interchangeable lens system.

Good times for mobile photography enthusiasts :)

2 upvotes
Jimmy jang Boo
By Jimmy jang Boo (Jul 24, 2013)

These are exciting times for professional phone photographers.

5 upvotes
joe6pack
By joe6pack (Jul 24, 2013)

I must be the minority to think that the phone should be thicker to make up the protruding lens. That way, there are more room for a bigger battery and maybe other components as well.

I also think that the phone's side should be made flat such that it can stand on its side for taking photos with a timer or long exposure.

Nonetheless, this looks like a solid camera phone that I am willing to give up Android for - after 2 years when the price drop below $200 that is...

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brdeveloper
By brdeveloper (Jul 24, 2013)

Not so impressive... I'd prefer a Nokia 808.

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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jul 24, 2013)

You should compare it to Galaxy S4 zoom. I'd like to see the difference.

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Erin Lodi
By Erin Lodi (Jul 24, 2013)

We'll certainly make further comparisons in our full review. Stay tuned!

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ybizzle
By ybizzle (Jul 24, 2013)

Unless someone comes along and puts an APS-C sensor in a phone, the 808 will always be the true king of smart phone cameras.

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Jul 24, 2013)

Right, smartphone camera technology stopped in 2012 with the 808 and there will never ever be a better one.

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ybizzle
By ybizzle (Jul 24, 2013)

Well it took 5 years to develop the 808 cam so yea, in 2018 you will find a better one. ;)

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brdeveloper
By brdeveloper (Jul 24, 2013)

Even better: a 1/1.2" sensor with "just" 14MP. That would be the dynamic range/noise king of compact cameras.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 25, 2013)

41MP down sampled to 14MP should be able to beat a native 14MP sensor which in turn will beat 5MP.

lower the pixel count, lower the image quality.

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brdeveloper
By brdeveloper (Jul 25, 2013)

No way. Bigger pixels, higher dynamic range and less noise. This rule hasn't been broken yet. Of course newer technologies can beat older technologies with a smaller size, but this is not the case in respect to N808 x L1020.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 25, 2013)

The "less pixels are better" myth again. It is simply not true. There are three advantages with less pixel. 1. It is faster to read them. 2. It takes less storage to store them. 3. It might be better at high ISO.

But at low ISO, more pixels is always better IQ wise.

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Zdman
By Zdman (Jul 25, 2013)

In the case of BSI more pixels can be better. FSI (which most APS-C are) requires putting the wires in front and unless you can keep manufacturing at a smaller node you have a higher overall pecentage area used for the circuits with higher pixel density (not the mention design issues with cross talk etc). Each time they overcome these issues they bump up the megapixels not before. Eventually when pixel sizes get small enough on APS-C they'll have to go BSI too (which will increase the cost).

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vetsmelter
By vetsmelter (Jul 25, 2013)

For the time being the 808 still is. So is the 2010 Nokai N8 in some aspects.
With this website being photography oriented , I wonder why there is no 808 included in the comparative tests... In the simplest of terms: why no compare iPhone 4S to iPhone 5

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 25, 2013)

basically there should be no link between pixel count and image quality (SNR) though the current technologies give high pixel count a slightly upper hand against lower ones.

this is true for the last 20+ years but the trend is weakening like the difference between D800 and D600 is almost indistinguishable.

Comment edited 6 minutes after posting
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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (Jul 24, 2013)

Wait for the next iPhone and do a comparison review of S4, G2, One, 1020, iPhone, SONY Honami & RX100 II please.

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

Only if they have OIS
All the compacts now have OIS
Video is very different with OIS
Also shaky hands make blurry pictures
So...
a comparison between all the OIS camera phones
please?

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markld
By markld (Jul 24, 2013)

This phone camera or camera phone is impressive, think about all the times you have used your phone's camera to capture and share important events, only to be let down or not capture the situation as accurately as you'd like. This phone advances ones ability to capture a situation and share it better. It is going to be fun. I think about 90% of all people are applauding Nokia for this new advancement, however, most of the remaining 10% can think whatever they want. It doesn't take away from this technology advancement. I do join the 10% group when its only available on AT&T in the US! A marketing blunder or genius, I'd go with the former.

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aris14
By aris14 (Jul 24, 2013)

That's Minox territory... Some tech, sligtly bigger sensor, 12 Mp and you will have a nice spy cam to go back in the WWII...

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joe6pack
By joe6pack (Jul 24, 2013)

Can user shot only in 5MP mode? i.e. not having to store the 41MP image and thus saving space and time for writing?

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savingpvtbryan
By savingpvtbryan (Jul 24, 2013)

Yes, you can shoot in 5MP mode only. You can go to the settings and change it. Also, if you use the default camera app (from Microsoft) instead of the pro camera app (from Nokia), you can only save 5MP pictures.

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schaki
By schaki (Jul 24, 2013)

Dammit Nokia...
Details gets ruined by bad NR.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 24, 2013)

if you have more pixels, you are privileged to sacrifice part of them and still make profit.

better NR is one of the reasons we need more pixels. better result with same bad algorithm.

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Caleido
By Caleido (Jul 24, 2013)

Where? I see more detail in all the pictures, compared to the competition.

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Alupang
By Alupang (Jul 24, 2013)

So don't use dumbed down auto mode (that ramps up iso creating noise) and lock the iso to 100 for noise free images. Unlike Apple and Samsung phones, you have total control with this phone.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 24, 2013)

Alupang you can have more control than ever with the iPhone with a suitable app. The problem is Nokia keep messing up phones with very poor noise reduction and poor quality lenses and this camera looks no different. Same issues.

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

why can't dpreview get rid of the trolls?
Does anyone know a good site without stu-pid?
It's like pig poop in a porridge
I need to eat somewhere else...
this place stinks!!!
DPREVIEW REALLY !!!
FIRST ADOBE CLOUD SW POISONED BY TROLLS
NOW THIS
**** END IT ****

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 25, 2013)

CyberAngel You are free to go else where.

Just because you don't like something that someone says or you don't agree with them it does not automatically make them a troll. When you meet someone in your everyday life who you work with or live with and you don't agree with them or what they say do you call them a troll to there face?

The fact is Nokia are including a phone app with their new phone that adds features. They will also be releasing it for their other phones. The reason for having to make it themselves is because app designers are not designing many apps for Window 8 mobile phones because they are not very popular. Shame as the OS is very good but that is the fact. With the iPhone there are loads of camera apps out there already and some have more features than the Nokia app. Again this is a fact.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 25, 2013)

CyberAngel part 2:

Nokia have realsed updates to their noise reduction software for their mobiles before because it has been to aggressive to start with. Again this is a fact. Their recent lenses have been quite poor. Again a fact. You can read about it on the internet all over the place. I have an older Nokia N96 which has a good lens but that is let down by Symbian software and a huge delay on the shutter release. Again these are facts. Now stating things like this does not make someone a troll.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 25, 2013)

CyberAngel part 3:

Now if you go around in the world at home and work calling everyone else who you don't agree with, a troll the world in the end will become a lonely place as people will probably not want anything to do with you. You have to accept in the end like the majority people already do that other people can have their own views that might not be the same as yours.

Also name calling is something you tend to finish with in the playground when you are much younger.

It's interesting to see that you live in Finland the home of Nokia so I guess it could be argued you are just being very home brand loyal.

Comment edited 8 minutes after posting
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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 30, 2013)

"Alupang you can have more control than ever with the iPhone with a suitable app."

Sorry, but you're absolutely wrong.

In iOS, all you can control are the following:

- en/disable high (more than 800) ISO on the iPhone 5 (but nothing else)

- extend the maximal shutter speed from 1/15s to up to 1s (but no more).

Manual ISO? Manual shutter speed? Manual focus? Nope.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jul 24, 2013)

A bit off-topic, but I can't help noticing how ironic it is that, when there were phone camera reviews at DPR, most comments were favourable, like 'this is the future of photography' and other nonsense; now that there is Connect, most comments about camera phones are dismissive!
Go figure.

3 upvotes
MaxiMax
By MaxiMax (Jul 24, 2013)

For this sensor size, there is absolutely no DOF (aperture) control and no bokeh effect... As with any camera phone, It is just a snapshot camera aimed for image documentation and not artistic photography.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jul 24, 2013)

So artistic photography is denoted by shallow depth-of-field?

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Brad Martin
By Brad Martin (Jul 24, 2013)

I believe you are incorrect, you do have DOF control with the camera with the Nokia Pro Camera app. Remember, the tests shots are all done in Auto mode so we'll have to wait until the full review to see how things look with all the features of the camera being used.

1 upvote
kenikh
By kenikh (Jul 24, 2013)

Nokia specifically discusses the availability of bokeh in the 1020 in this article: http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-talks-about-bokeh-photography-using-lumia-1020/

1 upvote
cjhwang
By cjhwang (Jul 24, 2013)

Yes, he wants the "toy" effect, he'll be happy with that (aka pan-tilt in real lenses)

2 upvotes
Alupang
By Alupang (Jul 24, 2013)

ummm....the lens is fixed at its largest aperture f2.2 for the shallowest DOF 100% of the time. Please do your homework before posting falsehoods.

0 upvotes
Alberto Tanikawa
By Alberto Tanikawa (Jul 25, 2013)

A 2/3" sensor with 8mm f/2.2 would be roughly equivalent to a full frame 26mm f/8. You'd have to be VERY close to your subject in order to achieve any kind of background blurring. The second comment (by user OGLark) on the link provided by kenikh says it all. You can't change the laws of physics.

3 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 25, 2013)

the factor is about 3.9 for 2/3" sensors
but what's the exact focal length for 1020?

0 upvotes
Alberto Tanikawa
By Alberto Tanikawa (Jul 25, 2013)

yabokkie, from a wiki on the 1020 the exact focal length seems to be 8.02mm. The Nokia stated 26mm is a full frame equivalent - it had to be since the phone is only 10.4mm thick (slightly thicker in the camera section, and 14.5mm in the grip).

0 upvotes
Houseqatz
By Houseqatz (Jul 25, 2013)

f/stops are not t/stops

f/stops represent the ratio of the focal length, to the size of the aperture. as such, that ratio does not change with focal length, field of view equivalency.

A T-stop represents the light transmission efficiency of the lens.

t/stops are interchangeable, f/stops are not. and unless the laws of physics have changed.. a ratio is a ratio, and does not change with field of view equivalencies.

the f/stop equivalency bs needs to stop

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Alberto Tanikawa
By Alberto Tanikawa (Jul 27, 2013)

Houseqatz, I'm not disputing that the lens is not f/2.2, rather that the 8mm f/2.2 lens on the 2/3" sensor would have a similar amount of background blur of a 26mm at f/8 on a full frame sensor. I know my phone has a tiny sensor and everything looks sharp - its f/2.8 lens is no help. My crop body camera at f/2.8 blurs the background nicely; my full frame camera is even better at that; and the large format camera I played with in college just takes the cake. The real focal length, not equivalent focal length, helps determine the amount of background blur. This cannot be disputed, it's physics.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Jul 28, 2013)

@R Butler

:) We all know that it only takes a f1,2 or f1,4 lens and to use it only at the largest aperture to become a real photographic artist. Only blur is the best.

0 upvotes
Daxs
By Daxs (Jul 24, 2013)

Looks like real phone for wedding photographers! JOKE!
Like some people said NOKIA is better Then 5D markII! Really BIG and GOOD pictures!
NOKIA is some real JOKE! Phone with 41mp! Kids will like that!

1 upvote
CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

Lumia 16:9 34Mpx
Nikon D800 36Mpx
Lumia 4:3 38Mpx
oh...so many pixels in Nikon...it must be a joke
Well...actually..the Lumia re-zooming is for the "kids"
so there is some truth in it...this might be *fun*
I already feel like a kid :-D

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Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 25, 2013)

Nobody said the Nokia is better than the 5DmkIII. They just showed that in that particular test, in good light, the Nokia 808 resolves more than the 5DmkIII. Sharpness and resolution are only a fraction of what makes image quality. You'd have to be silly to think that a smartphone can compete with a Full Frame camera (5DmkIII, D800, etc). Those comparisons are just a way of showing the amazing details one can capture with those 41MP Nokia, and that is undeniable. The end point is that those Nokia cameraphones are much better than any other cameraphone on the market, and that's already amazing. I own a D800 and a nokia 808. I know which one to use for what. PS: the D800 doesn't fit in my pocket.

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Abhijith Kannankavil
By Abhijith Kannankavil (Jul 24, 2013)

the 5mp pics look good.

and as a device, it'd have been better if they just kept going with mameo/meego

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 24, 2013)

there is no better image quality that can exist in 5MP if not already in 38MP.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 30, 2013)

"there is no better image quality that can exist in 5MP if not already in 38MP."

Unfortunately, the 5MP downsampled daylight images do suffer from false detail. The downsampling algorithm seems to be a bit rushed.

Nevertheless, the full-res image is absolutely excellent, except for the left/right border areas.

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dual12
By dual12 (Jul 24, 2013)

Absolutely horrible.

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Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 25, 2013)

Compared to what? The even worse competition ? You did compare the samples at 5MP, right?

1 upvote
dual12
By dual12 (Jul 25, 2013)

Compared to nothing. It is horrible in absolute terms. Junk.

1 upvote
LuckyJ
By LuckyJ (Jul 25, 2013)

You are

0 upvotes
duqov
By duqov (Jul 24, 2013)

41MP is currently a feature that allows moderate zooming with a smartphone at good light. Not more and not less than that. Take it or leave it.

With the OIS of the 1020 it should be possible to get better zoomed videos and many low light shots should also become better.

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Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 25, 2013)

Exactly, and that is already better than what you find on other smartphones (except the 808).

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duqov
By duqov (Jul 24, 2013)

OK, after a while I really feel challenged once again to put things on the internet right by myself:) I have had the 808 for a while now so this is my experience:

1) At wide angle very good IQ in good and in low light, comparable or better than all others smartphones (due to downsampling).
2) (Moderate) zooming at good light is a great and extremly usefull feature and the IQ is still absolutely on par with all other smartphones
3) Zoomed low light images have limited IQ. Period. Unfortunately.
4) Video recording is better than all other smartphones because of the sound quality and zoomability.
5) OIS is missing and would surely improve zoomed video.
6) OIS would help at still images in many occasions at low light. Of course not when shooting (most) moving subjects.

Discussions about 41 MP have no sense. (BTW, yes you can capture full 41MP with some special apps that use the whole sensor, not cropping to 4 :3 or 16:9 ratio)

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

May I ask: what app?

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AstroStan
By AstroStan (Jul 24, 2013)

"The Lumia 1020 allows you to simultaneously shoot both a full-resolution capture and an oversampled, immediately shareable 5MP version "

That should say "undersampled" (re Nyquist sampling theory).

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Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 25, 2013)

No.
Capturing 41MP to get a 5MP result *is* oversampling. You sample more than what you need -> oversampling.
The process of going from 41 to 5MP is called downsampling (which still is not the same thing as "undersampling").

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mrdancer
By mrdancer (Jul 24, 2013)

So......

When will we see a camera with a built-in phone (not counting Skype-type stuff)?

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

Samsung Galaxy S4 (mini) zoom
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/8904016896/samsung-galaxy-s4-zoom

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Jul 24, 2013)

A slew of these pre-views hit the web today but no site is comparing against the 808.

Question: Was that a condition on getting an early 1020? Not even nokia is offering comparisons.

Thanks!

0 upvotes
Erin Lodi
By Erin Lodi (Jul 24, 2013)

We'd never review a product conditionally, and as you can read and see above, we're making numerous comparisons to the 808. We'll also compare the devices in our studio scene as soon as we can shoot both on our recently revamped scene.

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Jul 24, 2013)

Erin Lodi

Thanks for the reply! I should have been more explicit, no site is comparing images to the 808.

Can't wait for the studi comparisons, but will these be "normalized" to 8mp, or was that just the DXO mark comparisons?

Thanks again!

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 24, 2013)

comparisons are useless and misleading if not under well controlled conditions.

0 upvotes
Fr3lncr
By Fr3lncr (Jul 24, 2013)

At full resolution it seems the shots aren't as nice as the S4 whereas at 5MP, it takes the edge. It still seems the super high MP is a bit more of a marketing gimmick than anything else, or at least more of a tool to get better lower resolution shots.

Would have been interesting to know other specs about the camera which affect usability like autofocus speed, autofocus accuracy, cycle time between shots... A high resolution camera is all fine and dandy but if you can't take a shot quick enough, its use is limited.

1 upvote
Spunjji
By Spunjji (Jul 24, 2013)

It's a tool to get the better low resolution shots. I'm not yet convinced that it's better than having a 5 or 8MP sensor with larger pixels would be, though.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 24, 2013)

there is no such thing as better low resolution shots. a down sized low resolution image can have the same image quality as the high resolution one at best.

sensors with large pixels tend to perform less as good. a fact we have been observing for many years (at least since 1980s). higher image quality (less noise) is a major driven factor behind high pixel count sensors.

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AstroStan
By AstroStan (Jul 24, 2013)

The noise improvements that you have observed over the years is not due to smaller pixels. Improvements in detector sensitivity ( a combination of QE and noise) has resulted in lower noise that facilitates the good use of smaller pixels.

Every pixel produces uncertainty (noise) when read so incorporating more/smaller pixel to image the same object (with the same number of photons) will result in more image noise. However, newer generations of CMOS (and CCD) have lower pixel read noise and can thus accommodate more/smaller pixels without increased noise (compared to the prior generation of larger-pixel detector).

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 24, 2013)

it's more difficult and challenging to make same good quality low noise image with larger pixels because larger the pixel, higher the noise. http://www.canon.com/news/2013/mar04e.html

0 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jul 25, 2013)

It would be interesting to compare Nokia 5MP to S4 5MP, otherwise we are comparing apples to oranges.
My guess, S4 will be better at 5MP than Nokia is.

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LuckyJ
By LuckyJ (Jul 25, 2013)

My guess is that Nokia will be better in every aspect than S4.

0 upvotes
Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 26, 2013)

@ LuckyJ
I'm afraid your guess is already "soft" at the corners,

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jondh
By jondh (Jul 24, 2013)

Poor image quality. My Iphone4 gives me better image and sharper with its 5MP sensor

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Jul 24, 2013)

Lol your iPone4 is a garbage just like any smartphones out there with mediocre sensor. The only difference is your apple costs $500/lb when you can buy an apple for $1.99/lb in supermarket.

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Spunjji
By Spunjji (Jul 24, 2013)

Given that the iPhone 5 in this test has worse image quality than the 1020 and a vastly superior camera system to your iPhone 4, I'm not entirely sure what you're smoking to come to that conclusion.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 24, 2013)

Actually I am adjusting some iPhone 4 photos in Lightroom for a client at the moment. Less noise reduction, lens is sharper on the edges as well.

2 upvotes
savingpvtbryan
By savingpvtbryan (Jul 24, 2013)

Are all the reviews out there comparing the iPhone 5 and Lumia 1020 wrong then?

3 upvotes
Alupang
By Alupang (Jul 24, 2013)

Simply impossible the iphone sensor is less than a quarter of the size of this phone's sensor. 5 times more film means 5 times clearer more detailed image, end of story.

1 upvote
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 24, 2013)

Alupang not if it is messed up with poor noise reduction and a poor lens and this Nokia like a few before it has both.

0 upvotes
CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

DPREVIEW:
STOP THE STU-PIDNESS!!!
KILL THE TROLL ALREADY !!!!

1 upvote
Gryfster
By Gryfster (Jul 27, 2013)

@ Stu 5
I don't think 1020 is the best thing that has happened since photography started; but you lose a lot of credibility saying that an iphone 4/5 photo is better. I agree you lose less relative sharpness from corner but the center sharpness is so much worse that I would hard pressed to see why anyone would prefer a iphone photo to a 1020 (or a Galaxy S4 for that matter).

I'm sure the iPhone 5S/6 will address matters but for now Apple is a generation (6 months) behind the curve. No biggie; it happens now and then to every manufacturer in a competitive space.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 30, 2013)

"Poor image quality. My Iphone4 gives me better image and sharper with its 5MP sensor"

Lolz... you don't know much about photography, do you?

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chillgreg
By chillgreg (Jul 24, 2013)

Thanks Erin, great article. :)

2 upvotes
udris
By udris (Jul 24, 2013)

We who make comments know better as we have not used the camera ...........

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 24, 2013)

I used to think that 1" might be the smallest format for 40MP 20/20 vision 1.0 cameras but this camera shows that we may get it at 1/1.7" (40MP Panasonic LX14?).

btw, the lens isn't any faster to give better image quality. f/2.2 acturally means smaller aperture than f/2.4 on 808.

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rpm40
By rpm40 (Jul 24, 2013)

Smaller number = larger aperture = faster lens.
For example, f1.8 is much faster than f5.6.

It's like wire gauge. :P

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 24, 2013)

smaller f-number doesn't necessarily mean larger aperture if the sensor formats are different.

0 upvotes
cjhwang
By cjhwang (Jul 24, 2013)

the F/stop number is not a "set" dimension. It is an equation of FOCAL LENGTH divided by APERTURE DIAMETER.

so you're right when you say "APERTURE DIAMETER" (as in size of the hole) is bigger on the 808 at f/2.4 because of it's larger sensor + greater focal length.

you're wrong to say that it isn't FASTER. f/2.2 is "faster" than f/2.4 because that number is not HOLE specific. So an f/2.2 on a 1/1.5" sensor is as "fast" as an f/2.2 on a full size sensor.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 25, 2013)

you can have faster shutter speed at worse image quality. aperture size, not f-number, is the decisive factor at a certain angle of view.

btw, I'm not sure if the aperture of 808 is really larger because I don't have reliable data and current calculation shows that it's only a fraction larger than 1020 like f/8 vs f/9 equiv.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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Gryfster
By Gryfster (Jul 27, 2013)

Aperture measures light intensity. So from a pure speed perspective f/2.2 is generally faster than f/2.4; you can use a faster shutter speed to give a correctly exposed image.

Now if you are talking total light captured or DOF then you are correct but I don't see how that matters to speed.

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philinnz
By philinnz (Jul 24, 2013)

horrible noisy images even in good light. It seems it must be difficult to hold the camera level so you would lose 10mp straightening and cropping. I think I got better results 12 years ago with my old kodak dc-280

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ovibor
By ovibor (Jul 24, 2013)

I agree, horrible photos!

1 upvote
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 24, 2013)

The point is to use it as a great 5MP camera which surpasses everything else in smartphone territory (except the Nokia 808). I agree that the full sized images don't look that good, but downsampled to 5MP, they are excellent.

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Spunjji
By Spunjji (Jul 24, 2013)

Why must it be difficult? :/

1 upvote
kriztian
By kriztian (Jul 24, 2013)

Well well, I can see that all the Android and Apple lovers are freaked out. Nokia is back on track with W8! I belive that Android plattform is a dead end street in the long run. It is a too complicated and energyconsuming system. Nokias new asha 501 has only 64 ram but is fast like hell and has a batterylife like no others. W8 is doing circles around Android with the same hardware and because Androis started as an open system you cant change it like Microsoft did with windows. All develpoement has to build on what is already there. I have Android on my tablet and W8 on my computer. It is my opinion that although Android is highly customable it is way to much hasseling and depends far to much on downloading external program. It is alsoextremle vulnerable. You get what you pay for and because Android is free you get a ton of ads and perhaps also virus at the same time. Cheers:)

9 upvotes
Gary Martin
By Gary Martin (Jul 24, 2013)

LOL at the "virus" comment, spoken like a true Fanboi. I've been using Android devices since 2009, and know lots of others who do as well, and yet I've never heard of ANYONE getting a virus. And what ads are you talking about? If you use free apps, you will see ads in the apps (just like other OS's), but pay apps are ad-free. The fact is that iOS, WP8 and Android all have their strengths and weaknesses, and ultimately it's a matter of personal taste. But the myth about Android being some ad-laden, malware-infested OS is just propaganda.

5 upvotes
CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

No viruses in the Play Store
You have to [V] Unkown Sources
and then load an App from your SD
in order to (maybe) get a virus
The real problem is identity theft or rather personal information scooping, snooping, spying
Use "Clueful" to find out what App/s is/are stealing your info (like IMEI)

4 upvotes
kriztian
By kriztian (Jul 25, 2013)

Haven´t you seen Gmails last update. They give you advertisment as soon as you log in. (They call it suggestions)

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Jostian
By Jostian (Jul 24, 2013)

the IQ is impressive and way better than other smartphones but the biggest problem with the 1020 is that its a Windows phone... if it was Android, then wow! but still way too many compromises using Windows, Nokia missed an opportunity (should gone with Android).

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vetsmelter
By vetsmelter (Jul 24, 2013)

I can understand that you know and love only Android but in fact they (Nokia) had something better than Android before MSFT came along. Maemo (Linux using normal debian repository, no need to root anything and superior multitasking interface).
We were even shooting RAW on the N900, 5Mpix car Zeiss monster.
Incompetent management is taking Nokia 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
Nokia should think about producing rubber boots again to wade out of the swamp they put themselves in http://www.flickr.com/photos/zisa/146097733/

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Jul 24, 2013)

"Nokia" are still producing rubber products, in the form of two spun-off companies: Nokian Tyres and Nokian Footwear.

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Endgadget
By Endgadget (Jul 24, 2013)

"but still way too many compromises using Windows" - I hear this being repeated quite a few times but no-one actually states 'what' those compromises are? As far as I can see it's a valid platform currently in third place.

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Endgadget
By Endgadget (Jul 24, 2013)

Hmmm.. I read the EXACT post on another forum! Copy+paste or auto paste?

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

autotrolling?

1 upvote
vetsmelter
By vetsmelter (Jul 24, 2013)

"Nokia's second attempt at a 41-megapixel camera phone" ->
Ok the actual image size is only 38MPix but I think you should not call this an attempt since "attempt" is the action of trying at something.
What they aimed at is to use a large sensor's excess pixels to create a cleaner digital zoom and small 2, 5 or 8MP (808)
And while we are at the sensor: the first "attempt" had a larger sensor. The 808 measures 1/1.2” in size, and the 1020 has a 1/1.5” .
The price of making it thinner and cheaper I guess.
Photography wise, the only added value of the 1020 over the 808 is the shutter control.

808 over 1020:

Larger 1/1.2 sensor
ND Filter
Stronger flash
8MP supersample mode = best format on 808 in good light
Natural colour reproduction
MicroSD card expansion & swappable battery , like a self respecting cam
OS

1020 over 808:

Better F2.2 lens (w/o ND filter!)
OIS & 6 elements lens (vs 5)
Dual image capture & newer algorithms
Configurable audio
Better camera UI?
Camera grip (Optional)

Comment edited 50 seconds after posting
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Spunjji
By Spunjji (Jul 24, 2013)

I'd argue that OIS has significant photographic value, too.

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brdeveloper
By brdeveloper (Jul 24, 2013)

Yet 808 has a FM transmitter and a built-in microHDMI output.

0 upvotes
vv50
By vv50 (Jul 25, 2013)

1020 has:
flash sync speed of 1/16000
manual focus
shorter minimal focusing distance

1 upvote
CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

The sensor had to be smaller in order to get the OIS
and it was still a challenge
Nokia developed a brand new OIS system
+ BSI vs FSI with pixel size reducing wires
+ so fast shutter that ND filter is needed far less
+ PRO CAMERA SOFTWARE

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 30, 2013)

"I'd argue that OIS has significant photographic value, too."

Definitely, particularly when shooting video.

0 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 30, 2013)

"+ so fast shutter that ND filter is needed far less"

While I agree with the rest, ND filters are not only needed to make shots in VERY strong light when you can't make the ISO lower and the shutter time faster any more. Exactly the opposite: to make waterfall-like effects with, say, even 1s exposure times in daylight. The latter is impossible with an f/2.2 lens and an ISO starting at 100/200.

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vv50
By vv50 (Jul 30, 2013)

bring an nd filter then, and a cpl while you're at it

0 upvotes
rami
By rami (Jul 24, 2013)

looks like an ugly surveillance camera results. very little to do with photography.

0 upvotes
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 24, 2013)

If the output from this camera is like an "ugly sruveillance camera", I can't image how you would qualify the cameras in the rest of the smartphone industry (except the Nokia 808). By the way, I hope you're not judging the full resolution images, but the 5MP downsampled ones.

5 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jul 24, 2013)

Galaxy S4 looks much better, especially at the corners of the studio scene. Nokia is a hype.

3 upvotes
Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Jul 24, 2013)

You have to consider that these are 41MP images, scaled down to the S4's 13MP they'll look much better at pixel level.

9 upvotes
Shahidur Rahman
By Shahidur Rahman (Jul 24, 2013)

Taking S4's sensor size in account, S4 does a brilliant job, IMO!

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wansai
By wansai (Jul 24, 2013)

not only that but you can crop so much into the image and still downscale it to get superb IQ. I notice the problem corners are isolated and don't cover a wide area (like the galaxy zoom).

3 upvotes
Endgadget
By Endgadget (Jul 24, 2013)

Also remember that your monitor might not be calibrated properly

1 upvote
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 24, 2013)

No they don't look better scaled down. You can still see the quality loss. Even on the outdoor test shots the quality is all over the place. The more distant the subject the worse the corners get.

1 upvote
Gryfster
By Gryfster (Jul 24, 2013)

Agreed, extreme corner sharpness is not as good as the S4. The center is much sharper though than the S4 and low light is much cleaner.

1 upvote
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 24, 2013)

Gryfster you don't have to go to the extreme corners on some of them.

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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jul 24, 2013)

Yes, it's better at 5Mp, but not at the corners.
It's also better at low light and 5MP.
I'd only use it at 5MP mode.

0 upvotes
Impulses
By Impulses (Jul 24, 2013)

If you're gonna be re-shooting scenes with other phones you might as well toss in something like the Canon S110 into the testing IMO... It's pretty affordable ($30 less than the cost of this phone plus the grip...) and I bet a lot of people (at least within your audience) would only spend $300+ on a phone (primarily with it's camera in mind) if it can actually replacesomething like the S110 and not just outdo other more popular phones (nothing against WP8, can't deny the facts tho).

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jul 24, 2013)

We'll be re-testing quite a few cameras, as this becomes our primary test scene.

1 upvote
Hobbit13
By Hobbit13 (Jul 24, 2013)

yep, and add the 808 to the comparison!

1 upvote
zonoskar
By zonoskar (Jul 24, 2013)

And make sure the 920 is in focus @low light shots this time.

1 upvote
Alberto Tanikawa
By Alberto Tanikawa (Jul 24, 2013)

I see a similar painterly/watercolor effect from recent Fuji cameras equipped with X-Trans sensors. Specially apparent in areas of foliage and other high frequency details. Even in good light images have an over-processed look with blocked up details, which seem to be from unrefined noise reduction (the Fuji images where this fault does not appear have a more refined/natural look though). Reducing the images down to 5mp masks these imperfections well, but cannot hide the so so dynamic range of the sensor (the cityscape shot is clipped on both ends, much more so in the shadows). If users shoot at 5mp only, this actually looks decent and very detailed compared to other camera phones out now.

6 upvotes
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 24, 2013)

So you spotted that as well. The quality seems to be all over the place on the outside shots. The foliage is dreadful at times.

1 upvote
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