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The new Flickr: You will see adds, you won't see Pro account badges.

Much of the fallout surrounding Flickr's massive updates this Monday continues to center around changes to Pro user accounts. Oh, and then there was that thing Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer said: “There’s no such thing as Flickr Pro today because [with so many people taking photographs] there’s really no such thing as professional photographers anymore.”

Along with significant visual changes throughout the photo sharing and storage site, Flickr introduced a new account structure Monday that eliminated the $25-per-year-unlimited-storage Flickr Pro option. Instead, accounts start at the Free level which includes a free terabyte of space — though this comes at its own price paid in advertising. Ad Free accounts cost $49.99 annually and exclude advertising. Doublr accounts are $499.99 per year for two terabytes.

Details were initially fuzzy about what would happen to Pro users, and a backlash ensued as it appeared this option was disappearing entirely, but Flickr now says these customers can renew their unlimited storage plan for $25 annually. That's an amazing deal for those "grandfathered in": if you're lucky enough to be one of them, just be sure to sign up for a recurring Pro subscription.

Pro members also have until August 20, 2013 to opt for the Free account model and receive a prorated refund for their Pro account fee. Flickr offers many more answers about Pro account changes on its website.

Mayer's statement about how professional photographers no longer exist may be less simple to patch up, however. One of the better commentaries we've seen on the topic comes from photography consultant Jim Colton, who wrote:

"This is perhaps one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard, it is also an insult to all the professional photographers throughout history who have sacrificed everything to their craft … including their lives."

You can read Colton's full commentary here

Mayer has since apologized for her "misstatement" and is continuing to do so via her Twitter account

Comments

Total comments: 228
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JDThomas
By JDThomas (11 months ago)

I'm trying to figure out why this is such a big deal. It's just some innocuous misstatement by a dumb CEO.

People didn't stop payment on checks to their photographers just because she said there are no "professionals" anymore.

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Regan M
By Regan M (11 months ago)

The last two days has really surprised me with what appears to be a general lack of intelligence within the photographic community. When viewed in context her mispoken comment was clearly supposed to refer to storage limits on Flickr Pro (fessional) accounts, but has been widely misunderstood to be about Professional photographers in general. Two completely different things. It's very simple. Just watch the original video and think for yourself instead of just blindly believing anything you read on the internet.

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JosephScha
By JosephScha (11 months ago)

The new pricing on Flickr should make people investigate the alternatives. I suggest the award-winning, no advertisements but not free site smugmug.com. I believe their basic account is less expensive than Flickr's without ads account, and it does allow unlimited number of photos uploaded. There is a (very large) limit on the size of an individual photo, that I think no jpeg will approach. At least go read their terms of service.
Their "pro" account allows you to have a top level web address, that is your name, not www.smugmug.com/yourname, and it allows you to customize your page and how your photos are presented. THAT'S a pro account. It also has unlimited number of photos upload (since even the basic account has that), and it allows movie clips to be uploaded.
There is a power user account in the middle that allows movie clip upload but not the other "pro" benefits.

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nicowestlicht
By nicowestlicht (11 months ago)

good to know, I will give it a look.

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guyfawkes
By guyfawkes (11 months ago)

Thanks for the link. I'm not a pro but the price seems spot on for a basic account. I'm UK based so I hope I will be able to use it.

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icexe
By icexe (11 months ago)

Geez, relax people. She obviously didn't mean what she said. I'm so tired of overblown outrage over stupid meaningless crap nowadays.

And we wonder why our leaders seldom say anything of worth anymore when one tiny slip of the tongue mean your entire message is lost.

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Regan M
By Regan M (11 months ago)

Well said.

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zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (11 months ago)

same sentiments here. besides, in my experience, pros have gone google + for their social sharing.

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Craig_C
By Craig_C (11 months ago)

Horsehocckies!

Folks at that level of the game RARELY make misstatements, they may slip and say things the folks down in Press Relations cringe over, but real, actual, misstatements, no. You do NOT get to play at that level if you make too many real misstatements, especially where the press or chatteratti can get ahold of them..

We just got to see behind the mask is all and now they are scrambling to put make-up back on the pig.

I used to carry that very 'brand of lipstick' for similar events, just not in so high and rarefied an atmosphere.

LOL. Wonder how may of the 'positive posters' here collect paychecks from Yahoo or their reputation watchdog subcontractors.

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Daniel R Ripplinger
By Daniel R Ripplinger (11 months ago)

We got her message...

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RickBuddy
By RickBuddy (11 months ago)

I"m sure she was only talking about wedding photographers.

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chj
By chj (11 months ago)

Many of the most impressive photographers I follow on Flickr are wedding photographers. It's probably an incredible challenge. Uncertain lighting conditions, you HAVE TO get a multitude of great shots, tight deadline to edit, and you HAVE TO make everyone look amazing even if they're not particularly attractive.

In between taking wedding photos, they take the kind of photos the rest of us take to a higher level. When given the opportunity to pick and choose photos and all the time in the world to edit them, it's probably easy compared to weddings.

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LarryK
By LarryK (11 months ago)

That's okay, there are no such thing as "Pro" CEOs, just people with business degrees making lucky guesses and being paid huge sums of money even when they're wrong.

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JackM
By JackM (11 months ago)

She has a Bachelor's degree in Symbolic Systems, and a Master's in Computer Science, from Stanford.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (11 months ago)

Managing a company is making guesses, yes.

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Craig_C
By Craig_C (11 months ago)

And, of course, Yahoo and Google are really pushing "orphan media" legislation around the world....

Funny thing how somehow the copyright metadata is getting stripped from images posted online.

Now how/why do you think that happens? After all, since there are no "pros" left anymore, no one is ever going to make money off those images anyway.

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rfsIII
By rfsIII (11 months ago)

Yahoo and Google strip metadata!!!? That's fairly shocking. Why don't more people know about this? I work really hard putting all that metadata in and now it's just getting deleted? That's crazy!

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OnTheWeb
By OnTheWeb (11 months ago)

The other downside the is the new site design is a bandwidth hog, default 'justified' views everywhere.

For some of us on Satellite internet service with restricted bandwidth it absolutely blows. I want to choose which photos I view at higher resolution than simply having Flickr fill up my screen with photos all the time.

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Craig_C
By Craig_C (11 months ago)

This is a case of not just being critically uninformed, or of deliberate and willful blindness (as a lawyer might put it) but one of corporate "we just do not give a damn" about you.

(Misstatement, my behind! It was and is, most likely, a perfectly accurate and truthful reflection of Yahoo's attitude toward Pros - being that they are just another market segment, herd-animal to lure then send to the slaughter house.)

And yes, it is insulting as hell (as if she cared (beyond any PR fallout))!

Her 'error' was not what she said but letting the real corporate cat out of the bag.

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chj
By chj (11 months ago)

uh, no it's the result of the fragile egos of photographers like yourself. She's not even talking about you. Her use of the word "pro" is only in regard to Flickr's business model. Get over yourself.

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SuperAchromat
By SuperAchromat (11 months ago)

Typical stolid corporate HACK. Educated yet provincial in the extreme.

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rfsIII
By rfsIII (11 months ago)

The fact that she didn't understand how her remarks might offend a big part of the user base shows that she is just another CEO completely out of touch with reality. It is the executive class that is killing our country.

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tlinn
By tlinn (11 months ago)

I have to speak in support of Mayer. In context, her comments aren't nearly the big deal that it would otherwise seem. And kudos for getting out in front of the issue with pro accounts.

I think that the general direction of Yahoo has changed for the better since she took over. And people have been complaining forever about Flickr's UI. I think the changes are a step in the right direction. There have been legitimate reasons to abandon Flickr but this isn't one of them.

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inframan
By inframan (11 months ago)

What you are supporting here is the mega-commercialization of what was once a terrific if somewhat idiosyncratic website for creative photographers. Yahoo is desperate to capture the biggest demographic out there: mindless phonecam snappers & it will turn Flickr into whatever monster appeals to these boobs. You're basically rooting for the BP/Exxon of the internet.

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Vlad S
By Vlad S (11 months ago)

I think her comments actually are big deal. Her statement represents the growing culture where creative jobs are increasingly viewed as lesser than "real" jobs, which require licenses and certifications. At the same time, many posting for creative positions ask to work for free as "internship." This applies to photographers, designers, writers, and others. And I see this attitude mostly among the wealthy customers.

So yeah, when a CEO of a well known company does not recognize the time, the expense, the commitments, and the benefits of a professional creative worker, as opposed to amateur, it does influence the public opinion and employment dynamic as well.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (11 months ago)

@Vlad s
Exactly! Creative professionals are already being devalued at a staggering pace. Partly from their own poor practices like under charging and being so willing to work for free and partly from the erroneous perception more and more people have everyday that "anyone can do it." Right now it is happening the most in photography but it is also starting to happen in things like web design as well where people are starting to ask their cousin who is good with computers to set up a WordPress site instead of a web designer. The worst part is, just like in photography, most of the the time their cousin does a good enough job for the person asking them to do it and from then on that person will never value pro web design again. Too many amateur creatives who can do even a semi decent job do not recognize there is a monetary value to the work they can do are cheating themselves and other future creative pros out of a career by giving their hard won skills away like they are nothing.

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cknapp61
By cknapp61 (11 months ago)

I always wonder how people like the Yahoo CEO and liberal politicians can get away with saying such idiotic things and NOT get fired. I am in the Army, serving my 24th consecutive year at age 51 as a Special Electronic Devices Repairer. If I ever said anything to discredit the Army, the Chain of Command, or the Commander in Chief, I would lose my job, I would not be afforded the opportunity to "walk back" my statement.

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57even
By 57even (11 months ago)

She can say what she likes, as long as she says it to me over a glass of wine....

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (11 months ago)

The real mistake was made years ago, when Flickr labelled paying users "Pro". I mean anybody who can fork out $25/year doesn't automatically become a professional photographer. I'm sure the scheme was done intentionally as a marketing tool to make people feel good about paying the subscription. In a sense, that was the real insult to the professional photographers. People with no photography skill whatsoever can be known as a pro.

Good thing the word missuse has stopped. Instead flickr renamed the pricing levels according to what you get. Ad Free removes the ads, and Doublr doubles the storage space. So while Marrisa made a blunder, which I could care less about since she probably knows nothing about professional photography anyways, flickr has done one thing right. (And many things wrong, but that's another topic :-)

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (11 months ago)

There are about a billion free web-services and apps out there that offer a paid 'Pro'-version of some kind. I don't think any of them would mean to suggest that buying their service makes you a professional anything.

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tg9413
By tg9413 (11 months ago)

It all started with the good o' Microsoft xxxxx Professional Edition, and then it becomes a trend. Slap on a Pro label just means you get extra feature and paying more. Just like slap on an i ahead of your product, you instantly become apple friendly.
AND real pros will never claim themselves as pros. There will always be things to learn, especially in things like photography.

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Geoff LMV
By Geoff LMV (11 months ago)

I think they all "mean to suggest" just that. Not outright state it, merely suggest. The power of suggestion, marketing 101. I am a Flickr "Pro" and always thought that usage was slightly uncomfortable and ridiculous. Good riddance. As for the new interface, abominable. I've tried it on three browsers on my Mac, horrible. I know they are called Flickr, I never imagined that meant the entire screen should flicker and sputter while scrolling. The justified view completely kills your ability focus on one image out of many on the screen. Imagine going to an art gallery or museum and seing pictures on the wall displayed in such a manner.

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pavi1
By pavi1 (11 months ago)

Ficker is and always has been the worst photo hosting site. Extreamly slow.
Zenfolio.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

Zenfolio is 'extreamly' expensive.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

Well, well, well... I know at least one professional photographer, a photojournalist, who has a Flickr Pro account. That was really a silly statement. Glad she withdrew it.
I also feel good about being able to keep my Pro account. Fortunately Yahoo! didn't go the Adobe way.
...Now if anyone could explain me why this news is on Connect...

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (11 months ago)

Is this being on connect causing any kind of trouble?

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

Not really, it's just that not all Flickr subscribers use smartphones for photographing.

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Craig_C
By Craig_C (11 months ago)

When are we going to learn, people withdrawing 'comments' doesn't change realities or attitudes....

David Duke ran for congress but I know he did not change his core beliefs, merely toned down his rhetoric for the electorate...

We're all still just monetary prey species to them.

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gustabod
By gustabod (11 months ago)

so her profile pic is a selfie..nice job (cute too)

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WalterPaisley
By WalterPaisley (11 months ago)

All this will help sites like Zenfolio & PhotoBucket tremendously, which is a good thing.

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GPW
By GPW (11 months ago)

Who the hell need 2 terabytes of storage?

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M Lammerse
By M Lammerse (11 months ago)

I do, and many more. I use it for movie clips as well, and than it is going fast.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (11 months ago)

well, you'd still need a lot of movie clips, especially as they can only be 90sec long on flickr. I think they just increased that to 3min but still...

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tlinn
By tlinn (11 months ago)

I have 3TB in still images alone. I know others who have much more. Of course, those are RAW images. I don't know that you can even upload RAW to Flickr.

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infomatique
By infomatique (11 months ago)

You cannot upload RAW to Flickr

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (11 months ago)

no, you can't upload raw, then this would be a totally different matter. In my mind flickr is an online-album with a social-media component and not a backup-service. I upload a selection of my images but not every single image I take. Of course it is a nice side-effect to know that the images on flickr should be safe unless the internet melts down but there are much better solutions for storage and backup.

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JamesMortimer
By JamesMortimer (11 months ago)

It's a stupid, foolish thing to say..

The basic definition of "professional" is that you get paid to do something.
"Amateur" means that you don't.

It has nothing to do with experience or skill or quality of work - I've seen many amateurs who kick the arses of "pro" people.

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pinnacle
By pinnacle (11 months ago)

The "basic" definition of "professional" is not that "you get paid to do something." Your elderly neighbor may pay you to mow their grass each week but, that does not make you a professional in lawn maintenance. The definition of professional is what the answer to the question of "What is your profession?" is. If you can without equivocating state that "I make my living wage as a photographer", then you are a professional photographer. Just because a high school senior's parents paid you $500 to photograph their daughter because they liked the images they had seen on your Flickr site, doesn't magically change your profession into something other than whatever it is that you do to earn a "living" wage.

I earn a few thousand dollars a year with my camera. I am not a "Professional."

And yes, there are plenty of people who somehow make a living wage with their cameras just as there are many amateurs who will put many professionals to shame with talented photographic output.

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thegammaray
By thegammaray (11 months ago)

If I have four jobs which each contribute equally to the money I use to buy food, do I not qualify as a professional in any of them? If I use my lawn maintenance income to buy 10% of my food, does it then qualify as a profession?

"Professional" = "of or relating to a profession"
"Profession" = "a paid occupation"

If I receive income from something which occupies my time, I am a professional.

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pinnacle
By pinnacle (11 months ago)

Of course you are...you are a professional in whatever you decide to call yourself a professional in...have a garage sale and call yourself a professional garage sale guy...go sell your used Honda before you buy your new car and voila! You are a professional car salesman! Help your daughter sell her Girl Scout cookies and yessir! You are a professional cookie salesman! Is your self esteem so bankrupt that you need to change the meaning of the term professional to make you feel like you have value?

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thegammaray
By thegammaray (11 months ago)

How did I change the meaning of the term? I listed dictionary definitions. According to those, the word "professional" refers to a person who receives income from an occupation.

Self-esteem has nothing to do with this conversation. My sense of personal value does not determine whether I receive income.

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pinnacle
By pinnacle (11 months ago)

So...Based on the dictionary reference to an "occupation" (as part of your reference definition of professional), you believe that the next time you sell that single, solitary horse (never having sold a horse previously nor will you likely ever sell one again) you decided to get rid of, now you can represent yourself as having the "occupation" of professional horse salesperson? And selling your used car every three years would entitle you to state that you have the occupation of "used car salesperson?"

Unless you can still truthfully and accurately assert that selling that one horse qualifies you as having the occupation of professional horse sales person, you just undermined your own argument.

And...since you rely on a respected dictionary...Here is a link for the definition of "occupation."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/occupation

I just gotta' read your reply to this...Sheesh!
Dan

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Teila Day
By Teila Day (11 months ago)

People getting their under garments all bunched up over such a trite (but true-in-context) statement. What's amazingly sad is the number of photographers that haven't awakened from dreaming and can't understand that what she said (within context) is exactly correct.

Just like there aren't any professional cobblers today r-e-l-a-t-i-v-e-l-y speaking, even though using our common sense we know that there are individuals that still professionally make shoes on their own. . . but using our common sense, we understand what is meant within the context being spoken.

The number of professional photographers generating specialized work that cannot be easily and readily recreated in volume by the general public has been drastically reduced since digital photography became a mainstay. General photography is easily generated by the public today for cheap, and is why general photography in most locales is not *generally* as profitable as once was.

Too many people devoid of common sense.

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WalterPaisley
By WalterPaisley (11 months ago)

None of which has anything to do with defining a "pro" account.

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chj
By chj (11 months ago)

No, that's not what she's talking about at all. You like many others are still making a value judgment about the word "professional". Her use of the word has nothing to do with being specialized, recreatable or any kind of merit as a photographer. She's talking purely about volume, "Terabytes" as she states in her tweet.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

No, you are over analyzing it too much. Even in the digital era, to say that there is no such thing as a professional photographer is not accurate at all.

If anything you have more specialized pros with more elaborate skill sets in 2013.

And there is no way a layperson can say that a pro portraitist, photojournalist, sports photographers, wedding shooter, comercial, fashion photographer et al, are not professionals simply because there are more hacks with digital cameras that can sort of replicate some of the work they do. If you are representing her meaning by the statement well it's just plain wrong.

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chj
By chj (11 months ago)

I understand completely what she meant. So many of you are thinking she's somehow insulting professional photographers, she's not, she not even talking about them. She's talking purely about volume, "terabytes".

Flickr does not know if you are making a living off photography or how good your photos are. All Flickr knows is how many photos you upload. So from Flickr's perspective there is no such thing as a pro photographer anymore because so many people are uploading the number of photos that only a pro photographer would a few years ago.

Anyone that doesn't get this is more interested in creating drama than understanding the speaker's perspective.

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Regan M
By Regan M (11 months ago)

You are totally correct. It's amazing just how stupid a lot of the photographic community has shown itself to be over this whole (non) issue. If you actually watch the source video instead of getting up in arms about the same out of context quote, it is quite obvious her point was that there is no need for seperate levels of accounts anymore, as photography has become so ubiquitous, everyone has similar requirements now for storage and upload limits, not just professionals.

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chj
By chj (11 months ago)

Yep, unfortunately, all people do is read headlines and all media does is write headlines to make you click. The article tries to be "fair". But in the end, there is no story here, the writer is simply using an out of context quote to feed people's desire to point their fingers at a bad guy.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (11 months ago)

More pictures a day are taken with the iphone than any other camera, just look at Flickr stats and the apple commercials say so ;)
So you can see why she made this statement...It's clear Flickr is not for the pro photographer

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Fine, but she skipped the "for".

Still would have been a stupid statement, but it would have sounded more like her own stupid opinion, not a grossly inaccurate statement of universal fact.

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Teila Day
By Teila Day (11 months ago)

... but most reasonably intelligent adults know what she meant.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Teila Day:

No, you've guessed what she meant, and then she didn't come out and say: "Well we don't really think pros are using Flickr." She said put something on twitter about terabytes, whatever storage capacity has to with the original comment?

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chj
By chj (11 months ago)

nevermind

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

chj--

Beyond all Flickr knows is how may bytes you've uploaded, none of what you state makes sense.

Ms Mayer didn't say: "We don't distinguish pros from amateurs. We've just expanded the byte capacity."

By the way about 4MB can be a plenty good photo, provided one starts with a good image and good data. So a lot of those would fit in just a gigabyte.

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chj
By chj (11 months ago)

Do you even know what she said? Or are you just a sucker for a headline that feeds your need to be outraged?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgoaMDfhxOw

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Ms Mayer:

Is just showing a common attitude of those who fell into extraordinary monies without really working for it, she thinks people work for free, and then are rewarded because of some other factor, like being one of the first 10 employees of Google.

It wasn't a "misstatement". It was a version of a made up reality where no one has to scratch out a living shooting pictures.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (11 months ago)

Why are you so bend out of shape, no pro photographer uses a Samsung Galaxy camera?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Boerseuntjie:

I don't have a Samsung Galaxy camera, my work that was published was shot with a Nikon D3s.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (11 months ago)

Can I have a link?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Pay wall, and no because that would be sharing my real name.

Anyhow pros have been known to use iPhones if that's the camera they have on hand so no reason someone couldn't have used a Samsung Phone camera.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (11 months ago)

Never underestimate the value of being in the right place at the right time. This even applies to photography, but I was thinking of corporate giants like Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina.

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roblarosa
By roblarosa (11 months ago)

Hold on. She was one of Googles early employees because she *did* work at it. Getting into Stanford and earning a BS degree and Master's degree is no easy feat. She was important to Google's early success as well.

Now, I know all that is not nearly as impressive as photographing weddings, but how about not being so judgmental about people you know absolutely nothing about?

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Diopter
By Diopter (11 months ago)

You need an Internet magnate to finally get the message ...

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Horshack
By Horshack (11 months ago)

Judging by the flattering soft lighting and retouching done on that portrait of Mrs. Mayer I would guess her photo was taken by one of those non-existent pro photographers.

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JackM
By JackM (11 months ago)

Just keep your mouth shut and look pretty, mmkay pumpkin?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (11 months ago)

You've been watching a lot of Mad Men lately?

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OBI656
By OBI656 (11 months ago)

I have a feeling, that CEO Marissa Mayer has close to photography like fish to bicycle.

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h2k
By h2k (11 months ago)

It's interesting how - since the Yahoo takeover - Flickr manages to get worse with every change. It's an achievement.

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (11 months ago)

Is it just me or is Marissa Mayer insanely cute?

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BartyLobethal
By BartyLobethal (11 months ago)

Works for me.

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vincent__l
By vincent__l (11 months ago)

It's just you. The headshot used for this article was shot by a "professional photographer." Here's what she really looks like.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2012/7/17/1342541762374/Marissa-Meyer-new-CEO-of--008.jpg

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ChromeDome
By ChromeDome (11 months ago)

It seems professional retouchers are the new elite. Hope they can afford the renewals on Creative Cloud next year. It'd be a shame to lose such talent ;-)

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

Well, if she looks like this, than that remark about Pro photographers was like shooting into your own lines..

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (11 months ago)

@ vincent_l - That's what a cute woman in her late 30s looks like without much makeup in bad light.

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EssexAsh
By EssexAsh (11 months ago)

Ad Free accounts cost $49.99 annually and exclude advertising

oh so thats what ad free means. thanks for clearing that up.

And there will always be plums like Colton who exist to over react to anything they take umbrage to. But it gets clicks on your blog doesnt it jim.

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (11 months ago)

I am confused on statement too.
What exactly was the context anyway?
Oh, I get it, the pricing structure is now the same for everyone at different levels of flickr membership depending on: having ads, no ads, or 1 or 2 terabytes storage. (pro or non-pro now considered the same with storage limits as above: 1 or 2TB for new members)...
except of course: be fortunate to renew your Pro user membership at a the $25 deal and be "grandfathered in" for unlimited storage. Pays to read above.
Did I get it right?

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Dennis Linden
By Dennis Linden (11 months ago)

Let's be honest, how many NON pros were buying PRO accounts, and what did PRO mean anyway ??? The vast vast majority of Flickr users are undoubtedly NOT Professional Photographers.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

Yes and I wouldnt buy it even if I was pro, there are better things to spend on than Flickr. :D

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

Of course. 'Pro' is just a moniker. Having a Pro account doesn't mean you are a professional.

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GraemeF
By GraemeF (11 months ago)

I haven't renewed my Flickr Pro account. I fail to see the point in it. As a free hosting service, Flickr is probably useful to some, but as a means of generating income, it's a non-starter - if Getty invites you to license your images, you get offered the square root of sweet FA as a licensing fee. I can make more from selling a single print. I'll stick to my own website from now on.

As for Ms Mayer's comment - sheer stupidity. There are lots of top class Pro photographers out there, some of whom struggle to make a living in the current climate of the 'Look! I've got a DSLR, I'm a pho(faux)tographer', who'll charge peanuts and sell you a monkey.

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jm67
By jm67 (11 months ago)

How can it be both a "misstatement" and "out of context"? You've either slipped up and said something you shouldn't have or you have said something that has been snipped and is only part of a paragraph. In either case, should anyone care what she thinks? You know if you're a pro, amateur, hobbyist, student and so on. You don't need Marissa to tell you who you are. It's kind'a funny.

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vincent__l
By vincent__l (11 months ago)

You seem to be stating her statement about her misstatement out of context

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chj
By chj (11 months ago)

I understand completely what she meant. Flickr does not know if you are making a living off photography or how good your photos are. All Flickr knows is how many photos you upload. So from Flickr's perspective there is no such thing as a pro photographer anymore because so many people are uploading the number of photos that only a pro photographer would a few years ago.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

chj:

But she didn't say: "Yahoo doesn't conceive of Flickr as a service for professional photographers--there are more specialized services for that."

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thegammaray
By thegammaray (11 months ago)

@chj: +1

@HowaboutRAW: The point isn't that Flickr is unfit for professionals. The point is that from a service perspective, there's no distinction between professional and amateur users. The volume, bandwidth, and overall operating costs are identical for Flickr regardless of whether the user is a professional or amateur. Several years ago, this was not the case.

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vincent__l
By vincent__l (11 months ago)

It was a simple misunderstanding. When she reviewed the pictures on Flickr she noticed that they were all snapshots of cats, with the subject in the middle, shot from an iPhone, and run through 10 different filters. What she meant to say was,

"There is no such thing as a professional photographer on Flickr"

Agreed

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (11 months ago)

Tempest in a tea cup.

Taken out of context.

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angrywhtman
By angrywhtman (11 months ago)

Folks need to lighten up. This whole political correctness is getting way outta' hand.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

And this isn't about being PC or not PC.

The non PC post would read something like: Ms Mayer is a (fill in sexist term of dumb person here).

Calling her arrogant aint nonPC either.

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inframan
By inframan (11 months ago)

A very arrogant position in the first place & a bald-faced denial in the second. Glad I terminated my 500+ image pro account at (barely a) flickr.

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FoolyCooly
By FoolyCooly (11 months ago)

What's the point of flickr anymore? After updating my Website, blog and facebook... who has time for it?

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intensity studios
By intensity studios (11 months ago)

exactly! there are like 5000 other sites that do exactly the same thing. Flickr is only used by photographers and you will never book a photo job off flickr. Pretty much a waste of time

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Ian
By Ian (11 months ago)

I call B.S. on the apology. Had she not followed her comment with the one about differing skill levels, I might believe it. Clearly she was just that arrogant and disconnected with the real world.

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Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (11 months ago)

Exactly. That was a "misstatement" better characterized as classic CEO arrogance. A better word is brain fart.

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iShootWideOpen
By iShootWideOpen (11 months ago)

I bet she's a regular on Dpreview hence the "No Pro Photographer" comment.

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Tarpon6
By Tarpon6 (11 months ago)

Who cares.. She's kinda hot..

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FoolyCooly
By FoolyCooly (11 months ago)

Are you 80 years old? No she is not... check her out in her mom jeans.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (11 months ago)

And what are you 13?

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FoolyCooly
By FoolyCooly (11 months ago)

Yah, so what? ;-)

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Dpetry
By Dpetry (11 months ago)

I have a pro account, but since I live in Brazil flickr won't let me become an "recourring pro". That just sucks

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ianchristy
By ianchristy (11 months ago)

The new, non-editable, non-custimizable (even for "Pros") layout and counter intuitive menu systems blow. I've been Pro on Flickr since 2004, and this is what I get as thanks, dumped into a new, vaguely snotty, utterly THIS IS 2013 style template with utterly no choices about how to alter, constrain, or refocus the layout. It's as though things like WordPress and Blogger don't exist. Hell, even newly acquired Tumblr had customization options. I'm not wooed by the astounding terrabyte offer when I already paid (less) for unlimited space. Now I have a jacked up renewal rate with no longer term incentives. Thanks, Yahoo. No wonder no one loves you.

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rkhunter
By rkhunter (11 months ago)

http://thomashawk.com/2013/05/those-abusing-marissa-mayers-personal-flickrstream-should-be-ashamed-of-themselves.html

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D1N0
By D1N0 (11 months ago)

When they keep pro at $25.- they won't sell many ad free and doubler accounts. Does paying for no ads also mean that other people won't see them on your account pages? I guess that would be useful for some users. Others can simply use an ad blocker. And who needs more than a TB anyway. Just make different accounts when you are a compulsive uploader of images nobody really wants to see.

By the way. Flickr is not an exclusive mobile service, so when you mark it connect a lot of people won't see the article, because they opt out of connect. Should be under "other news"

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Josh152
By Josh152 (11 months ago)

Exactly with things like adblock and no script who in their right mind is going to pay $50 a year just to get rid of ads. Nobody that's who.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Josh152:

Well Yahoo could be like DPReview and make signing in more difficult if one chooses to stop a lot of javascript.

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kdaphoto
By kdaphoto (11 months ago)

D1N0, the $25 Pro account is availble only to those who already have it. They stopped selling them. The conssion was made when people complained, so they are letting those with the Pro account keep them at the same rate. So the Pro account won't affect sales of other acocunts.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (11 months ago)

@howaboutraw

so what? Adlbock will still work. In fact I dont' see any ads on DPR at all with it on. Besides seeing ads doesn't really bother me that much. Actually I usually disable ad block on sites I enjoy and use that are ad supported anyway. I really don't see how seeing a couple of ads would be annoying enough to pay $50 a year to make them go away. Unless Yahoo makes them particularly obnoxious to get people to sign up.

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rkhunter
By rkhunter (11 months ago)

http://www.flickr.com/help/limits/#150487675

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Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (11 months ago)

Maybe it should be more spesificed.

Its True: nowadays almost everyone could reach these equipment , and everyone can "snap" with them,

Its Not True: There pro´s , who makes money from photography, Not just selling equipments or printing... but taking pass fotos to news photograhy... There are people who does it for their monthly salary.

Maybe Flickr would say, "we consider all you as hobby guys here ! Do your pro tog on you own web pages.... " Or would give some more possibility to customise the people´s page, who pays more fee per month/year.....

Whatever.... i like new flickr so much. Full rez looks amazingly good and bright. I almost believe that my P&S has a nikon D800 inside :)

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