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Nokia announces RAW support for Lumia 1020 and 1520

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Engadget snapped this photo at the Nokia World conference.

Nokia's new Lumia 1520 phablet and recently released Lumia 1020 smartphone will have RAW photo capabilities. The smartphones will have the option to save uncompressed Digital Negative (DNG) files.

With the Lumia 1520's 20MP and Lumia 1020's 41MP potential, allowing for RAW file saving could fill up your phone pretty quickly. The Lumia 1020, especially, has the storage-sucking combination of giant photos and no SD card support. On the other hand, the Lumia 1520 accepts SD cards as big at 64GB.

While the Lumia 1520 will not be the first smartphone to save files as a DNG (iPhone users have been able to do that with different apps), it is the first manufacturer to openly support uncompressed photo saving and processing.

Previous attempts at RAW apps on iOS gave us huge files and glitchy photo editing. We couldn't find any benefits of uncompressed TIFFs and the one iOS app that promised real DNG photo editing left us with nonsense output. By providing full support of uncompressed photography, Nokia will hopefully be able to realize the potential of RAW photo editing on a smartphone.

The 6-inch Lumia 1520 will ship with with RAW support but the Lumia 1020 will get the feature when it receives the Nokia Black update early next year. The new Nokia Camera and Nokia Storyteller apps are also expected to come to older devices at that time.

We expect to deliver a full report on the Lumia 1520's RAW potential when we can put it through our rigorous review process.

Comments

Total comments: 36
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Good, that took too long. Perhaps Apple will learn a thing or two about including digital cameras.

Does the MicroSoft-Nokia 1020 have a card slot?

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (11 months ago)

the 1020 has no memory expansion slot, hence the 1520 is actually the better buy if you want flexible storage options

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (11 months ago)

"Perhaps Apple will learn a thing or two about including digital cameras."

Don't bank on it. They won't add any camera module that would make their devices thicker. That is, a significantly larger sensor is out of question.

"Form over functionality"

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Menneisyys:

I'm not that interested in the high pixel count--not real important except for cropping.

DNG and an optically very good lens are two things that Apple could learn from MS-Nokia.

I mangled my phasing, so should have said: "perhaps Apple will learn a thing or two about what to include in..."

I think that Samsung ISOCell sensor is promising for a camera phone.

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carlos roncatti
By carlos roncatti (11 months ago)

finally, those fashion photographers now will shoot raw... :)
if it takes the phone 2 to 3 seconds (?) to take another shot, how long once you shoot raw?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

And how long was it between shots on a 2M digi cam in say 1998?

This is a helpful feature that sets Nokia apart, if you don't want to shoot to DNG, but insist on using this phone to take photos there's always jpeg.

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (11 months ago)

1020 pureview 5mp JPG shot to shot times is still 3 seconds though...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

bigley--

Then in 12 months MS-Nokia call sell ATT customers in the USA a new phone with a better buffer, assuming DNG shooting is sought after.

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (11 months ago)

@HowaboutRAW

sounds good, add a descent buffer, and while you are at it, add wireless control for external strobes!!

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LensBeginner
By LensBeginner (11 months ago)

@HowaboutRAW in 1998 serious photogs stills shot film.
P.S.: we're in 2013 now, just so you know ;-)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

LenBeginner:

No "serious" photographers were certainly beginning to try out digital as, even starting in the 1980s.

And one of the limitations to digital was the slow shooting rate. And it's still a limitation with this camera and others.

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AndyHWC
By AndyHWC (11 months ago)

Ore interested in the reFocus app.

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Ivan Azzopardi
By Ivan Azzopardi (11 months ago)

No aperture no shutter priority or manual features ????

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bg2b
By bg2b (11 months ago)

There's no aperture. You have control of flash, white balance, focus, ISO, shutter, and exposure compensation.

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Vladik
By Vladik (11 months ago)

They also added the infinite focus, so you can control DOF via software. Make that $hit as creamy and shallow as you want!

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/22/nokias-refocus-lens-camera-app/

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

RAW support!
Marvellous!
Now I just need Miracast support...

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english_Wolf
By english_Wolf (11 months ago)

Well, this shows that all the suckers who went for this 'famed' 'phone camera' got suckered into an early buy while the company kept developing it...

As to the quality of that thing? Possibly better than the others but I doubt it if the sensor size and pixels are not there in the first place. Extrapolation is the mortal enemy of any decent photographer and that even before we speak of the 'lens'.

All the gizmos that take picture at the moment are not in par with a good 'old' (did I really type that??) digital camera.

I do not have enough thumbs to give the true opinion I have of these things.

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (11 months ago)

"All the gizmos that take picture at the moment are not in par with a good 'old' (did I really type that??) digital camera."

I tend to disagree. Most of the flagship smart phones from multiple brands are convincingly similar to the quality of an entry level digital camera. In some instances the 1020 will capture a better image than an entry level digital camera. Of course I am assuming by good "old" digital camera you mean just entry level.

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english_Wolf
By english_Wolf (11 months ago)

I compare what is comparable.

If you tout a 41mb sensor, I compare it to a 36MB sensor like that of the D800.

When throwing numbers of this type you intentionally mislead your suckers (clients) into thinking you get the best the word can offer (beside pro cameras) so, one should not be surprised that other 'photographers' get seriously annoyed. I know, I am.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (11 months ago)

english_Wolf, Nokia have never stated their high-end phones are better than DSLR's. Of course they have stated it's only in the resolution department that these cameras can be a match (or are even better). DR, noise etc - no way.

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (11 months ago)

@english_Wolf

The Nokia 808 could not keep up with the Nikon d800

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feature-nokia-808-pureview-just-how-good-do-images-look-real-life

and another against a d800E

http://falklumo.blogspot.de/2012/07/the-icamera-nokia-808-pureview-part-ii.html

It did somewhat ok considering how small the 808 camera module is compared to the Nikon D800

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johnmcpherson
By johnmcpherson (11 months ago)

As usual, it's all about the GLASS!
Greater pixel resolution does not a better picture make.
That being said, the Lumina takes a decent picture for a phone, certainly some of the best looking phone photos that I've seen however, at full scale you can see why one pays as much for low price lenses for a DSLR as this entire phone costs...
But still, I want one.
The image is at least of decent quality and very often, I have my phone with me but not my SLR.

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LensBeginner
By LensBeginner (11 months ago)

About time.
What about Android phones?

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (11 months ago)

They're lagging pretty badly behind Nokia, apart from some specific areas like high-speed or 1080p+ video shooting. Man, I do miss both 1080p60 and 4K from the new releases - the Note 3 has implemented them pretty nicely (apart from the aliasing in the 4k mode)...

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LensBeginner
By LensBeginner (11 months ago)

'Twas a rhetorical question...

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mad marty
By mad marty (11 months ago)

gigantic!!!
that's what I waited for.

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nightryder21
By nightryder21 (11 months ago)

Nokia Camera is available now. http://windowsphone.com/s?appid=bfd2d954-12da-415c-ad99-69a20f101e04

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Ingloryon
By Ingloryon (11 months ago)

HOLYSHIT!!!11

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SHood
By SHood (11 months ago)

Now this is interesting. The somewhat larger sensor, fast lens and Raw support could finally make this an interesting camera phone.

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (11 months ago)

in theory if the hardware is up to it, it should compete nicely against proper digicams.

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zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (11 months ago)

Very interesting. To me, the 1020 now looks a true successor of the 808.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (11 months ago)

Now, I wish the 1020 was re-released with a better CPU / architecture and higher-res screen. (And better microphones - at least as good ones as in the 808.) With last year's tech, the 1020 is a tough buy at the current price point.

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (11 months ago)

they just need to fix the lens and sensor issue where the right or left hand side of the image renders soft details when capturing landscapes!

I am pretty sure RAW support will not resolve this hardware defect, but infact may allow users to see the defect more clearly!

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (11 months ago)

@ Menneisyys

will have to see how the 1520 performs, it claims to have 4 HAAC mics to aid better quality recording.

The 1520 also has the quad core cpu, so tentatively a 1020 mk2 should be in the timeline to replace the existing one. Still hoping though Nokia will find a way to fix the lens defect in the 1020

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (11 months ago)

"The 1520 also has the quad core cpu, so tentatively a 1020 mk2 should be in the timeline to replace the existing one."

Yup, I hope too. For the time being, I'm sticking with my 808. The 1020 has too many drawbacks compared to the 808 - particularly the OS, which I find much more restrictive than Symbian.

"Still hoping though Nokia will find a way to fix the lens defect in the 1020"

Not via software, apart from cropping in the first place even when presenting the preview (which won't be done). Hope the successor to the 1020 (or a parallel, newer model with newer hardware - see 925 vs. 920) will have better lens.

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Zlik
By Zlik (11 months ago)

Good news ! Shows the confidence they have in their cameras. Let people do their processing if they want.

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