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First impressions of Samsung's Galaxy NX: An Android-powered camera with promise

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Samsung's latest phone-camera hybrid is the Galaxy NX, a rather bold experiment that bolts a high-end Android smartphone to an interchangeable lens camera. With a 20.3 megapixel CMOS sensor and Samsung NX lens mount and a tried-and-true mobile operating system, the Galaxy NX is composed of known quantities — and like other hybrids on the market today, from Sony's QX lens-cameras to Nokia's impressive Lumia 1020, it offers plenty of intriguing promise. We got our hands on a pre-production model from Samsung early on, but now we've taken a closer look at a finished production model.

Key specifications

  • 20.3MP APS-C CMOS sensor (same as NX300)
  • 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 kit lens
  • Advanced Hybrid Autofocus: 105 points on-chip phase-detect; 247-point contrast-detect
  • 4.8-inch 921K LCD with capacitive touchscreen with Gorilla Glass
  • SVGA electronic viewfinder with diopter control
  • JPEG, RAW, RAW+JPEG capture
  • 8.6 fps continuous shooting
  • Video recording at 1080/30p, 720p60
  • 16GB Memory, with microSD card slot
  • 1.6GHz Quad-core processor
  • Android 4.2 (Jelly Bean)
  • 4360mAh battery
  • Dual-band 802.11 a/b/g/n Wi-Fi
  • Bluetooth 4.0 (LE) and NFC
  • 4G LTE/3G HSPA+42Mbps cellular data
  • Built-in GPS + GLONASS

The Galaxy NX's 20.3 megapixel APS-C sensor sits behind a standard Samsung NX mount, though it's worth mentioning that Samsung's lens collection is relatively small at this point. The NX comes either body-only or kitted with an 18-55mm OIS lens. What most noticeably sets the device apart is the massive 4.8-inch touchscreen on the back through which you will control the camera and frame your shots. Connectivity is off the charts for a DSLR: the Galaxy NX offers 3G/4G cellular date, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and NFC.

The body itself is is a bit lopsided, with a slim central portion but a large handgrip, on which most of the controls are placed. There is a grand total of four buttons and one dial — which means that you'll be controlling nearly all camera functions via the Galaxy's touchscreen display.

You've got separate buttons for shutter and movie recording, a flash pop-up button and a multi-purpose dial that can be pressed like a button and assigned to a number of different tasks. It's worth noting that the kit lens and many others from Samsung have a handy "i-Function" button on them, which allows for quick switching and adjusting of common exposure settings.

Comments

Total comments: 200
TashaNorth
By TashaNorth (5 months ago)

According to Samsung, Galaxy NX packs 3G/4G is the most connected compact system camera in the world http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxycamera/nx/

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (5 months ago)

yes it is the most connected compact interchangeable system in the world that does not require wireless or tethering. Quite a milestone really :)

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ntsan
By ntsan (5 months ago)

Just want to say HowaboutRaw seems like the paid poster by Samsung

http://news.yahoo.com/samsung-htc-fake-reviews-blackberry-no-risk-all-reward-191308791.html

I never saw this guy on M43 forum at all

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (5 months ago)

+1 HowaboutRaw your good old Samsung troll.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

@rtsan:

I don’t think I’ve ever posted on any of DPReview’s forums–perhaps once.

Also since you seem confused about this subject, these Samsung NX cameras, G’NX included, use an APSC sensor. That sensor is bigger than a so called 4/3s sensor.

For your edification here’s a list of some other manufactures that use APSC sensors in mirrorless, P&S, and DSLR bodies: Canon, Sigma, Nikon, Sony, Fuji, Epson, etc. Now I’m quite sure that I’ve commented on DPReview posted announcements/reviews by/of some of these manufacturers.

I didn’t know there is a general APSC forum at DPReview. Check and post the link, please.

(Here you see I don’t need to go to the 4/3 forum to see raws shot with the Olympus EM1, I shot my own raws with that body weeks ago+PhotographyBlog had raws for download a month ago. Also shot my own raws with the Pana GX7 (using a PanaLeica lens) a month ago–and no none of them equal the high ISO IQ of good APSC raws, including raws from the G’NX/NX300.)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Boer:

You’ll note here that I’ve defended the raw image quality of this body, the single raw shooting speed of this G’NX body, the EVF, and the optical quality of some Samsung NX lenses. Yet I’ve been clear on the lack of appeal of this body for a number reasons.

Besides the Android induced problems with this G'NX body plus the lack of buttons and wheels, the buffer on the NX300 is too slow.

So news to me that I always defend Samsung.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (5 months ago)

RAW:
I will say you are a Fanboy and a bit of a troll, but It's a free world and you are welcome to your opinions ;)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Boer:

I resist the urge to toss insults. (And rtsan seems genuinely confused about the size of the sensor in this G’NX body. That confusion is why I felt it necessary to point out how many manufactures use APSC sensors--forgot Pentax.)

I don’t make things up, unlike you.

And I fully admit to being a big fan of some Samsung NX lenses and the raw IQ from the Samsung NX bodies’ sensors.

Within reason I like tablets and smart phones from Samsung running Android 4–too much crapware though.

I’ll be happy to see the big AMOLED TVs which have started to ship from both LG and Samsung, but if Sony, Sharp or Panasonic ship something I’ll look at those AMOLED screens too.

So you have a very confused definition of both terms. And given your knee jerk propensity to extol the ostensive high quality of Sony or BMW whatever you’re not one to claim someone else a “fanboy”.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (5 months ago)

So you agree you are a Fanboy?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Boer:

No, I don’t for the reasons clearly stated above, and the example of you as someone who simply extols Sony no matter what.

I’m also a fan of the optical quality of good Olympus lenses. I like the sensor IQ in both the Leica M240 and the Nikon D3s. With a Zeiss lens and limiting ISOs, the Sony A99 is a great camera. See the difference?

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wansai
By wansai (5 months ago)

Checked it against the EM1 & especially at high ISO, the EM1 destroys the galaxy NX in jpeg and RAW. It's apsc, surely they can do far better than that.

at that price bracket, that's some serious underperformance in sensor.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

No, the Oly EM1 doesn't even equal the high ISO performance of this Samsung,

I have ISO 6400 raws from both, and the NX300 too. The Olympus starts to have problems above ISO 3200, while both Samsungs are producing perfectly useable, if grainy, images.

If you need a better high ISO sensor and don't want this G'NX, consider the NX300 or the Fuji XE1 or XE2 or the Sony Nex 6. But not the Olympus.

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wansai
By wansai (5 months ago)

I'm only going purely by what is shown in that comparison chart from DPR as I have googled around for RAW files from the galaxy NX & only managed to find daylight raw files.

And in that chart, from 1600 onwards, the OMD pulls well ahead of the NX in every measurement. I've used several cameras in that chart & the performance correlates closely to what I was able to get from the files - so roughly, I'd be more willing to believe this than any other observation.

I'd be willing to change my mind if I could get my hands on some low light RAWS.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

PhotographyBlog.com has raws from the G'NX, and I believe the NX300. And a few raws from the Olympus.

I've also shot high ISO lowlight raws with the NX300. And the EM1 too.

I don't spend a lot of time reading charts or scores.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

The sample studio images here on dpr are very bad. Dunno why. Look dxo mark for nx300. It's 1/3 to 1/2 stops ahead of em1 in high iso. Perhaps nx300 is slightly better than gnx?

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (5 months ago)

mmmm fuji XE1 and XE2 are top notch cameras. I do not think any APC-C camera comes close to the performance of these cameras for signal to noise.

But if you want fast accurate Autofocus and tracking, the Olympus EM1 does do a fine job

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

bigley:

Any source for downloading Fuji XE2 raws? The S/N ratio is all well and good, but there's the processor+the lens. (In the USA, the XE2 isn't in stores yet.)

I don't see much difference between G'NX ISO 6400 raws and ISO 6400 raws from the Fuji XE2; with the application of NR both are useable, as are ISO 6400 raws from the Leica X Vario.

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Revenant
By Revenant (5 months ago)

DxO don't tell you much about the quality of final images. They analyze the raw values, i.e. they don't convert the raw files to actual viewable images. Their approach tell you a lot about the raw sensor data, but superior raw data doesn't always translate into significantly better images, especially in real-world use as opposed to shooting test charts in lab conditions.
1/3 to 1/2 stop difference in high ISO in the DxO tests is not a big deal, especially considering that the error of margin in their measurements is 1/3 EV.

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (5 months ago)

not sure about the RAW, but the JPG output from Fuji is impressive, especially at high ISO

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

bigley Ling:

Right those Fuji X APSC bodies have a reputation for excellent jpegs.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

bigley_Ling:

PhotographyBlog reviewed the Fuji XE2 and there are raws for download today, Nov 18th, 2013.

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Michael Ma
By Michael Ma (5 months ago)

Just like Samsung's newest smartphones, this camera will adjust the lighting to expose the sky properly, and underexpose your subject. Also, their colors are too cold. These things may be fine for people looking to post process, but I think the mistake here is that the default settings are for more of the enthusiast who is looking to post process all images, rather than the casual consumer looking to buy a gadget who don't know know how to work with raw.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Not familiar with NX camera bodies and lenses are you? I saw no particular exposure problems once I had this body set correctly.

I think most people who'd buy this know about shooting raw+manual exposure compensation.

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Akpinxit
By Akpinxit (5 months ago)

An interchangeable lens camera , which takes picture with smartphone IQ which to be viewed on smartphone .
Why bother ? Stick to smartphone .

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Michael Ma
By Michael Ma (5 months ago)

You should read the article before posting your opinion. IQ better than MFT (Micro 4/3), but not as good as APS-C (cropped sesnsor DSLRs). Average smartphone IQ is still far below IQ of MFT due to the sensor size.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

This has the image quality of some APSC sensored DSLRs, after all it does use an APSC sensor and there are excellent to extraordinary native lenses for this system.

@Akpinxit:

Raw and an APSC sensor, no camera phone has the latter and only 2 have the former. Samsung NX bodies do excellent image quality. Why would the user interface have anything to do with the IQ?

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Akpinxit
By Akpinxit (5 months ago)

The IQ , shown on lab samples is in the same line as the rest smartphones there , it can shoot RAW (which is has potential to be better than JPG) , but please , the target group folks would never use it (out of boredom , may be) . And again , device such this one , overloaded with wireless connectivity , suggests for images to never be PP on desktop and instantly (few clicks for fast preset filter) be uploaded to any of social networks . Who would ever care about 100% magnification option ?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Alpinxit:

The raw image quality of this camera is excellent. I have raws from it–not from DPReview. Some Samsung NX lenses are excellent, one is Leica/Zeiss extraordinary. This sensor pretty much competes with any sensor from any other APSC body–including the Fujis. (Though I’ve not seen raws from the new Fuji XE2 yet and yes I realize those are Sony sensors and no I’ve not forgotten Leica X.)

I don’t claim to know what the target market for this is. I think Samsung is trying something out; it doesn’t appeal to me, but the image quality is very appealing.

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dbateman
By dbateman (5 months ago)

I wonder if Smug mug's camera awesome would work on this device? would be interesting if someone just tested it out.

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DavinaG
By DavinaG (5 months ago)

This camera is about innovation, not necessarily a step up in the photographic experience. Most if not all will be better served by a NX300 which is a superb camera that produces wonderful images in my experience (the Oly has collected some dust). The comment regarding a limited lens selection is misleading. The Samsung lens range is very similar to other systems, only the Micro 4/3 lens map dwarfs it. With the addition of a long telephoto I would consider the NX line a complete system. The electronic companies are beginning to give the traditional camera companies some competition. Time will tell who wins in the end.

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sportyaccordy
By sportyaccordy (5 months ago)

This could almost work. I think for this application I would rather have a fixed focal length collapsable lens though. Make portability and IQ the primary objectives.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Samsung makes a jpeg only Android camera. It's got a very similar interface. The sensor is not real big though. And the lens is a permanently mounted zoom. I guess raw would improve IQ. But the point is the camera already basically exists.

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oselimg
By oselimg (5 months ago)

Judging by the picture quality this camera is a glorified Android telephone without the telephone and costs more than 1000!!!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Judging by raws, it's just as good as the NX300, which is excellent.

Try again.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

I like the idea of a camera without a phone. A phone without a phone would be awesome.

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Sirandar
By Sirandar (5 months ago)

The interface may not be optimal, but it is Android, so 3rd party devs can make a new interface if Sammy releases enough info to let them

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ageha
By ageha (5 months ago)

Samsung won't do that.

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NewForce
By NewForce (5 months ago)

And how do you all that?
Are you a Samsung insider?

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Stephan Def
By Stephan Def (5 months ago)

The price has to to come down to about $800-$600 as I am pretty sure it will in time. I would like to see a model with a full size smartphone screen, or basically just a smartphone format with an interchangable aps-c size lens mount. I think that is the future. All the rest is pure processing power and software.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

This camera is flawed even at that price. Bulk size, poor performance (eg just 5 raw can be taken in a row) has a low res evf and even a low res display compared to current smartphones.

As said, a traditional camera (like the nx300 or if you prefer the omd em1) coupled with a tablet is a much better alternative.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (5 months ago)

> a low res display compared to current smartphones

No it's not, it has the same resolution as the Nexus 4 (which has a very nice screen) and at 920k res it's pretty high end compared to other cameras.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

tecnoworld:

A lot more than 5 raws can be shot in quick succession--you've confused this body with the NX300.

The EVF is basically the equal of that on the Sony A7, Olympus EM1 and the Fuji XE2.

And I think both the G'NX idea and particular execution are flawed, but I don't make up things that are wrong.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

http://www.whatdigitalcamera.com/equipment/reviews/compactsystemcameras/129641/3/samsung-galaxy-nx-review.html

Look under battery life, third paragraph. Many other reviews confirm this.

Evf is 800x600 and is sequential tech (rainbow effect). The cameras you mention have 1280x768 res, amoled. Much - MUCH - better for evf. Please compare them side by side and you'lk be surprised at the big difference. Especially with omd.

Andy: nexus 4 is not current gen. Nexus 5 is. Higher res.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

tecnoworld:

Stop quoting specs and look at the EVF in the A7, G'NX, EM1. I have, on the same day, in the same lighting; they're all excellent EVFs. And it's hard to see some big difference. I'm perfectly willing to accept that the Sony could be marginally better, but it's a slight difference.

The NX20 had a very good EVF (LCD I believe). Also you should know that those OLED EVFs aren't really AMOLED, so in other words, unless Sony has changed something they're white OLED panels, whereas AMOLED is something else--and right now that's mostly LG and Samsung tech.

Never said a peep about battery life.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

If you cared to read the link, they talk about buffer depth. 5 raw, exactly like nx300. Please read.

And about evf: what can be a little dufference for you, can be big for others. I tried the nx20, and the evf gave me headache, for the continuous rainbow effect, that is NOT present in omd or sonys.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

technoworld:

Never saw rainbows on the EVF in the NX20 that I owned. Never noted them in other NX20 bodies either. I see no especial difference between the NX20's EVF and the good Sony EVFs.

Why would I read the link? I've shot raws with both the NX300 and the G'NX, the G'NX has a much faster/bigger buffer.

I'm not a big fan of even the improved buffer on either the NX20 or the somewhat better buffer on the NX300.

So I looked at the link, and in my experience with the G'NX body I got at least 20 raws in about 12 seconds, and the only reason I stopped was boredom. I'd guess that they were doing something odd, or the camera was set to continuous shooting, that's not how I ran my test, and that's rarely how I shoot. When I see a G'NX body again, I'll try continuous and then stop and see how long the buffer takes to write. But in any case, shooting single raws in quick succession the buffer on the G'NX is much better than the buffer on/in the NX300.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

I don't know which camera you tested, but the one I tested in a shop stopped after 5 raw shots. Perhaps the one you tested was set on jpg only? All the reviews on the net quote the 5 raw files limit for gnx, and so did the only galaxy nx user that posted on the samsung forum.

Check also the table in this review:

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/samsung-galaxy-nx-mirrorless-camera-review-22995

So yes, I'm more than sure that the limit for galaxy nx is still 5 raw files in a row, in continuous mode.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

No, I tested the Galaxy NX.

The Galaxy NX doesn’t really look like any other NX camera, not even the NX20.

It was set to shoot raw. I’m sure of this point. But of course would check again if I had any interest in buying this G’NX body. The reason I’m sure is that I reviewed the some of the shots and “raw” was indicated upon the files I’d just shot. Perhaps there was a firmware update that fixed the buffer. (There was something of a buffering fix for the NX20 body.)

In the USA the G’NX body isn’t on display in stores yet, unless that’s changed in the last 2 days. I was in B+H at the Samsung kiosk on Monday Nov. 11, and no G’NX.

The Samsung rep to whom I was speaking also agreed that the G’NX had a much faster buffer than the NX300, while the NX300's buffer wasn’t too much faster than that on the NX20.

Again: I did not try continuous. I'll try that when I see a body on display.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

tecnoworld:

That Ephotozine photo link refers to the FPS spec for continuous shooting. That’s specifically not what I was referring to, and I made that point clear. It also looks like EphotoZine didn’t test the FPS rate--shooting continuous or singly. This is why I don't read a lot of specs that haven't been tested.

When I tested the G'NX it easily shot 20 raws in about 12 seconds. Didn't try any more.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

Oh, ok, we were referring to different things, then. I was referring to continuous shooting, where the buffer really counts. And there, the gnx can do only 5 frames and after that it stops for several seconds, which is a shame compared to all the other cameras in that price range and even lower price.

If you don't shoot continuous, then ok, you can take about 1 shot every 1 to 2 seconds, also with nx300.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

techworld:

I was clear I wasn't referring to continuous shooting.

For not continuous shooting the buffer in the G'NX is much much faster than that in the NX300--which bogs down after about 5 or 6 raws shot in quick succession. The NX20 would stop shooting after about 3 single raws within a second or two.

The buffer is hugely important for shooting quick single raws. And it is much better on the G'NX than on the NX300.

I did not try the continuous mode on the G'NX--it's really not that important to me. When I see a body again, I'll try it for fast raw continuous shooting, but I've no real interest in owning the body so it's not pressing.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

In nx300 the speed of raw taking in single shooting mode is very dependent on the sd card used. With a good class10 card, benchmarking at about 25mb/sec on my pc, I have no trouble at all taking at least 10 to 15 shots in rapid succession (one each 1-2 seconds) w/o slowing down. Right few hours ago I took 9 pictures of my daughter in about 15 seconds, one behind the other. So I don't feel this as a limit in nx300.

What is really sub par is continuous shooting, which for me is very useful and important. All the other cameras (omd, gx7, nex, fuji) do much better than nx300 and gnx.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

tecnoworld:

When I tested the NX300 I was using a U1 card with a write speed of 90MB per sec--that is the fastest SD card one can purchase in 2013. The NX300 did 4-6 raws in a say 5 seconds then slowed, after one or two more it locked up to process.

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (5 months ago)

I am pretty sure buffering 5 RAW files before running out of buffer is quite satisfactory for this type of camera.

I am pretty sure my Nex 5n can only buffer than much before it slows down to the write speed of the memory card, which is about 1 RAW shot every 2 seconds approx

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

bigley:

No, 5 raws in a second, while in continuous, and then 20 seconds of writing time is not acceptable. Look I think the buffer on the Nikon D7100 is also too slow.

My problem with both the NX20 and the NX300 was the limited number of single raws one could shoot in quick succession; yes the NX300 was an improvement over the NX20, but neither was good. The G'NX is plenty good for single quick raws.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

tecnoworld:

If you're reading this still: Yesterday, Nov 26, 2013, I tried the G'NX in at a store display. Shooting raw, with a class 4 microSD card, the raw shooting performance, both continuous and single, was horrid.

About 3 raws could be shot in single, then came a lot of processing and no more shooting. In high speed continuous, it was about 4 or 5, then processing.

Yuck, I could go back with a class ten card or buy a U1 card for testing, but Samsung needs to pay attention.

I'm still sure that the trade show version I tested was plenty fast shooting single raws--must have had a faster card.

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Sutjahjo Ngaserin
By Sutjahjo Ngaserin (5 months ago)

As a minority opinion, I really love the Galaxy NX and is using the camera often now. This is especially handy for immediate event coverage. Focusing in the dark is still a little slow and I wish the buffering at continues shots a little faster (I shoot raw + jag. Other than that I find the camera wonderful for all occasions except for professional requirements.

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Rooru S
By Rooru S (5 months ago)

"Still, even a theoretical minimal one-touch tethering solution is to be appreciated."

Seems like you want the Sony One-touch approach on it.

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HarrieD7000
By HarrieD7000 (5 months ago)

Like most android gadgets this will be shown the first week after it is bought and then life a life in a cupboard.

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austin design
By austin design (5 months ago)

I think there's a reason Android-based gadgets sell well, and it's not likely their ability to consume cupboard space.

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DaveE1
By DaveE1 (5 months ago)

@austin design: Sure, there is a reason they sell well. It could be "their ability to consume cupboard space", to be joined by another one six months later.

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dccdp
By dccdp (5 months ago)

I don't know, I don't leave my phone in the cupboard. Do you?

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (5 months ago)

@dccdp - I do not think they meant phones when talking about Android gadgets.

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DaveE1
By DaveE1 (5 months ago)

@dccdp: Roland is correct. Do try and keep up.

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NewForce
By NewForce (5 months ago)

@Roland & DaveE1, well Android phone should be consider as an Android gadget too. I'm wrong about it too?

I meet & know of many iPhone and iPad hard core users, including programmers. But now all of them are Android "gadgets" super fans.

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DaveE1
By DaveE1 (5 months ago)

@NewForce, I know many who have gone from being Android "gadget" super fans to being iPhone and iPad super fans. So not really sure if there was a point in there somewhere. If there was, it can be made both ways.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

The NX300 has good IQ, this uses the same sensor.

There are raws at Photography Blog.

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ConanFuji
By ConanFuji (5 months ago)

Yikes... lousy IQ or bad weather?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

The NX300 has good IQ, this uses the same sensor.

There are raws at Photography Blog.

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Adrian Tung
By Adrian Tung (5 months ago)

I've seen this camera up close, it is really big and bulky for an MILC-Android hybrid.

My personal opinion, not that anyone cares, would be:
1) should have been in NX300 form factor with optional EVF attachment
2) should have provided dual memory card slots -- one for Android usage (apps, music, documents, etc) and one for frequent removal and swapping (i.e. captured RAW photos)
3) offer cellular communication (GSM, etc)*

* more of a curio than a serious suggestion... but it would be neat to be the first, no?

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (5 months ago)

Wow you do not ask for much :)

dual memory cards are usually reserved for pro cameras. Not sure how useful the SVGA EVF will be at such a low resolution for todays standard.

Yes definitely should have included some sort of cellular radios, I would love to think what people would think when I make phone calls with this camera pushed against my head ;)

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BBking83
By BBking83 (5 months ago)

1) This has a built in EVF. Why do you want removable EVF so you can't use it with external flash (or built in flash) at the same time?

2) It has 16G on internal memory.

3) It does have GSM. Micro SD and SIM card slot.

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Adrian Tung
By Adrian Tung (5 months ago)

1) NX300 is a better form factor when using it as a tablet.

2) Like all other Samsung mobile devices, 16GB is not much at all and often requires add-on storage once you start adding apps, pictures, music, movies, etc. And ideally this content should be separated from the card used for photography which will be swapped and/or formatted often.

3) Cellular data and cellular communication aren't the same thing.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Adrian:

I don't particularly like the G'NX, but it does have a removable microSD card to which photos can readily be recorded. Though I agree it should have 2 card slots and both should be of the full SD type.

It's a well designed box, good in my hands. Yes it needs more buttons and wheels, even running Android, but it's not difficult to hold, aim, focus, etc.

I really think the NX300's body would be too small for decent tablet functionality.

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sportyaccordy
By sportyaccordy (5 months ago)

I agree 100%. Only thing that would further sweeten the pot would be a "cap lens" to enable carrying it in my pocket. My NEX C3 fits in my pocked without a lens easily.

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BBking83
By BBking83 (5 months ago)

"3) Cellular data and cellular communication aren't the same thing."

Okaay... Mind explaining?

By all means, if you know more than Wiki, could you update this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_data_communication_protocol ??

If you mean, you want to make phone calls, just say it. You can with the SAMSUNG S4Zoom.

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NewForce
By NewForce (5 months ago)

@HowaboutRAW

I couldn't agree more with you.
About the dual memory cards support it, not many need it, but it's a welcome feature, and maybe GNX2 will have it.

Yes I agree too, it's definitely one of the well designed box camera. good in my hands.

For more buttons and wheels,
Well I think more probably Samsung design it are targeting Android smartphone users (and there's multiple millions of them), thus GNX come with less buttons and wheels.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

NewForce:

Well there's the irony that newer Samsung Android tablets (and some phones) are starting to have more buttons.

One of these tablet buttons has the good feature of accessing "clear browser history" with one touch. (Apple needs to learn about that failure of Safari on the iPhone/iPad--but that's a different subject.)

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BBking83
By BBking83 (5 months ago)

I found the user interface so awkward and non-photographer friendly.

There is the case of the i-Fn lenses but if you don't have one of those (like the nice 30mm f2), you can't even change the aperture with the dial when looking through the EVF... O_O

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yonsarh
By yonsarh (5 months ago)

I would get a7 instead.

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (5 months ago)

why stop there, A7r!

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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (5 months ago)

Hasselblad Solar is even better!

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NewForce
By NewForce (5 months ago)

Should I say Phase One the best of all then?

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utomo99
By utomo99 (5 months ago)

Can this camera using Android apps?
Example the picture effect to create cartoon, which is popular.

And also consider releasing smaller cameras

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (5 months ago)

I think it runs a full android OS under the hood, so yes it should be able to run apps found on Galaxy and other android smart phones

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (5 months ago)

I can hardly wait for the sight of someone, holding a Samsung camera up to their face, talking into it.

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (5 months ago)

It does not have cellular radios built in, but if it has a speaker and a microphone, I do not see why you could not skype call with it

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JWest
By JWest (5 months ago)

Please stop spreading misinformation bigley. Plain as day in the list above it says:-

* 4G LTE/3G HSPA+42Mbps cellular data

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (5 months ago)

sorry, misread that part, but I do not think it has cellular voice communication capability, only data.

But as I said you still can do VOIP, and skype on it

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (5 months ago)

why would you need an android camera? when you can do pretty much everything with a wifi - nfc link to a mobile phone and it also act as a remote!!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Name more than 2 mobile phones that shoot raw?

Name a single mobile phone with an APSC sensor?

Name a single mobile phone that can take interchangeable lenses?

Oh and even shooting raw, the buffer on this thing is near the speed of a pro DSLR--really.

And I think this Galaxy NX is a not great execution of a dumb idea, yes I've handled it, but I sure don't think it's simply a juiced mobile phone camera.

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alatchin
By alatchin (5 months ago)

I dont think you read his comment properly. He is saying why do you need an andriod phone when connectivity between cameras and phones is getting more seamless.

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (5 months ago)

Because of Apps. Tethering a camera to a phone is a transional thing, not a permanent thing. It's a clunky solution that needs an answer. It's the same ugliness as a CD player hooked up to a car via tape adapter.

After a few years, what people would be locked on is the apps. The camera is just hardware platform that supports the app. It matters little what camera is used, as long as the app is there, just like in the phone world. If youre life is dependent on listening to music via Pandora, it doesn't matter which phone you use, as long as the Pandora app works on the phone.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

alachin:

I guess I can see it that way, but NFC and wifi from a phone can also be used to connect the phone to laptops or a network router, so that's why I read it the other. But you're right it works both ways.

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (5 months ago)

@HowaboutRAW

The upcoming Lumia 1520 and the Lumia 1020 with Nokia black update will shoot RAW.

The galaxy NX is not a mobile phone. so those statements do not really make sense

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

bigley Ling:

And I very carefully noted "name more than 2", you've not named more than 2 cellphones that shoot raw.

If the OP was claiming that cellphones will do this all in a few years, then my statement makes sense, if the OP on the other and was saying cameras will simply send all data to cell phones soon, then my statement doesn't make sense. However the OP's statement is ambiguous. This ambiguity has already been brought up.

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wansai
By wansai (5 months ago)

@dylanbarnhart

Apps mean next to nothing on a camera priced into pro territory. All that matters to a pro is absolute usability & IQ; not mucking about with apps.

Apps are for smartphones and possibly, a more niche use in the camera world to extend some photographic function.

What you are suggesting shows a lack of understanding of the differences between the two products and what they do.

If you're paying $1600 for the body of the Galaxy NX, you're already crossed into pro body territory but with the mess & clunkiness of the consumer space.

The question really is why anyone who needs apps would need to spend $1600 on a camera?

Who not buy, say, an OMD EM1 & tether it to a smartphone. Shoot it & it sends direct to the phone. Your processing on the phone won't then drain your camera battery.

You still get the apps to use with the photos. You get a better camera. You get more shots from the battery. You can handle the app processing on a more suited form factor: the phone.

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (5 months ago)

@wansai

I understand your point, except $1600 is the price point of an enthusiast camera. Can you name one pro DSLR that's $1600? It's the enthusiasts who need something new to explore, something hasn't been done before to expand creativity. Pros don't care. They just want to do what they're paid to do in the most efficient manner.

The target audience for this camera is for those who have been using iPhone photography apps for a while and want better image quality. They value connectivity, social, and effects over egornomics and manual controls.

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (5 months ago)

Why not tether? While social apps can work tethered, photographic apps can't. For example, just try a panoramic app on Android/iPhone and you'd understand. At the time of capture, there's a nice on-screen guide that snaps frames together, allowing just the right amount of overlap. The phone's orientation sensor knows the angle of the phone and tilts the preview image accordingly. When done, the quad core processor removes vignette, corrects distortion, adjusts white balance and exposure differences between frames, and stitches them together. None of these apps work with a remote camera attached to the phone.

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joe6pack
By joe6pack (5 months ago)

It is priced too expensively for open source community to pick it up.

If it is $500, this will sell like hot cakes. Developers will put every feature you can imagine on this camera.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

The camera app is not released as an open source.

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Aeturnum
By Aeturnum (5 months ago)

$1600 is no barrier to hobbyists, but I haven't read anything about the NX giving better access to the camera than any other Android device. Without a more programmable interface to the camera, I don't see hobbyists being interested no matter the price.

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Impulses
By Impulses (5 months ago)

Developers aren't Santa's helpers or the tooth fairy... They won't hack and improve every device that comes to market just because (specially not a $1600 specialty device), and even IF Samsung had released the source code or opened up an API (HUGE if) there's still a lot of downsides compared to a more traditional mirrorless camera.

I'm a huge Android fanboy, there's an Android logo decal on my car's rear window. I don't see Android making much inroads on camera bodiestho, there's a lot of potential but it'd take a lot of work AND vision to realize it (not Samsung's model, just look at the decidedly uninspired Gear; better ad campaign than product).

In the meantime, the more practical things I could get done with my photos on Android while on the go can all be accomplished easier and more comfortably by just hooking up the camera to my phone/tablet over Wifi or even over USB OTG if I wanna work with RAW or sync quicker.

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NewForce
By NewForce (5 months ago)

Maybe GNX still a Google Android device, so there's still some limit stopping Samsung to do whatever they like.

Perhaps Samsung DSLM both compact or SLR alike cameras will have better life come next year with models running their own Tizen 3.0 OS.

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Wye Photography
By Wye Photography (5 months ago)

$1,600, don't forget you'll get some things for free like...

Hacking, malware, security leaks, bugs, trojans, spam, and that rather convoluted, disjointed, ill devised OS Spamdroid. But hey, if that's your bag then go for it. It's nice to know Samsung caters for those who can't use real cameras and real software.

(tongue firmly in cheek)

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (5 months ago)

What are you blabbering about? Nothing but a troll.

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IZO100
By IZO100 (5 months ago)

pathetic ignorant isheep...

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DaveE1
By DaveE1 (5 months ago)

Queue up people to insult the poster about being an Apple fanboy, an iSheep, an iSomething, even though you have no idea what phone they have. Oh, there's a comment already, great.

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Wye Photography
By Wye Photography (5 months ago)

You know I am right you utter complete mutha Trolls.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (5 months ago)

I can't wait for Samsung to shoot themselves in the foot when they finally abandon Android for their Tizen Os and I will watch them fall from their high horse...LOL
http://www.androidauthority.com/first-tizen-smartphone-release-315838/

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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (5 months ago)

Tizen is already used in NX300 and NX2000. It's just a variant of Linux, like Android.

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NewForce
By NewForce (5 months ago)

@Boerseuntjie,

Why being such a hater?
Did Samsung devices burned down somebody houses or electrocuted somebody like Apple iPhone and iPad that you've come to know? LOL...

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (5 months ago)

Your Apple bashing is just funny...LOL, pot calling the kettle black, BTW I do not own any Apple products they are on the same level as Samsung in my minds.

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CarVac
By CarVac (5 months ago)

"...about twice as much as comparable DSLR bodies..."

The battery is half the voltage (one cell), so it has about the same energy capacity as the ~2000 mAh two-cell DSLR batteries. Please correct this misleading statement.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

My point is, samsung should have made a prosumer body, with lots of physical controls, much better evf, new and improved sensor, huge buffer, ibis. All this at a price LOWER than this galaxy nx, which is the biggest failure for nx system.

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (5 months ago)

So you're asking for a completely different camera that comes with $500 of holiday vouchers.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

I'm simply hoping that samsung understands that fthe kind of cameras like the one I described are very interesting for ppl (look at omd-em1). But they also have to understand that, in order for ppl to consider samsung as an alternative, they have to offer it at a competitive price.

Galaxy nx is neither interesting nor competitive.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (5 months ago)

i got your point .. but what's the point of making another OMD when excellent OMD already exist!

Samsung is experimenting .. let them play! I would rather see different ideas .. interesting concepts ..

having said that, this camera is deffinately NOT for me!

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

Omd exists with m4/3 sensor. There is not such a camera with aps-c sensor. And what you can do with 85mm f1.4 on aps-c would require a 60mm f1 on m4/3. And even the more 'modest' 45mm f1.8 equates to a 34mm f1.2 on m4/3. That would be a very expensive lens, to have the same fov and dof as you'd have with a lens costing 200€ on nx.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (5 months ago)

Does Samsung still make cameras?...LOL, they should stick to washing machines and phones

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dccdp
By dccdp (5 months ago)

Sony should do it too, in your opinion, eh? Or Panasonic...

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AlpCns2
By AlpCns2 (5 months ago)

Explain why.

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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (5 months ago)

Panasonic makes vacuum cleaners, and they suck!

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DaveE1
By DaveE1 (5 months ago)

The difference with Sony is that they are actually quite good at making cameras.

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JWest
By JWest (5 months ago)

Nice attempt at trolling. The slight flaw in your plan is that Samsung makes the best mirrorless cameras in the world. But thanks for trying!

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DaveE1
By DaveE1 (5 months ago)

Actually, JWest, Samsung do not make the best mirrorless cameras in the world by a long shot. But I suppose you needed something to hit back at the original poster.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (5 months ago)

@JWest ,Even Korean's know that a Samsung camera suck, that is why they stand in line at the Sony store to buy Sony cameras, ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLaTEyuG414&feature=share

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JWest
By JWest (5 months ago)

Wow Dave, you've really changed my mind there with that compelling argument!

Both Sony and Samsung make great mirrorless cameras. They're the only two companies really in the game when it comes to APS-C sensor models. The main difference is that Sony knows how to market them.

There's very little between them as far as sensors go, although DxOMark marginally gives the edge to the NEX-7. The Samsung's control scheme is much nicer, but I guess that's a matter of personal taste. The Samsung system also has a far nicer line-up of lenses, which tend to be more compact and better matched to the diminutive bodies.

So to me, Samsung's mirrorless cameras are the best in the world. YMMV.

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DaveE1
By DaveE1 (5 months ago)

Wow JWest, you really haven't changed my mind there with your personal preference mixed with an acknowledgement that DxOMark shows the Sony to be better.

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JWest
By JWest (5 months ago)

You seem to have either misread my post or failed to read it at all, so I won't waste any more of your time or mine. :)

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NewForce
By NewForce (5 months ago)

So Apple should stick to only making Mac PC?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (5 months ago)

This is an exciting concept at about $800. At $1500, I don't think it is going to have many takers.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (5 months ago)

More like $500

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (5 months ago)

With a free Lada, like the Olympus EP-5 and Vespa kit.

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (5 months ago)

The lure of this camera is the ability to use photography Apps on a large sensor camera. For some people, like the 150 million active Instagram users, these Apps are the only way to capture/edit/share images. Swithing to a traditional camera requires a steep learning curve with an interface that doesn't make sense.

Just look at the way an image from a DSLR getting uploaded to the web. It's a big hassle and not something a non-techie can easily figure out. Same with displaying photos to a home TV without an HDMI cord (viaTV Link). After using apps for a while, the old way seem unecessary redundant.

Comparing the Galaxy NX to a DSLR, or presenting it to a traditional DSLR audience would make it look silly. Instead, it should be compared to the iPhone or the Sony QX.

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PicOne
By PicOne (5 months ago)

Don't most apps have a megapixel limit on the file size?

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seilerbird666
By seilerbird666 (5 months ago)

Lets see here, crappy IQ, not the sum of its parts, can't make phone calls, massively overpriced, very few lenses available. So what is the point?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Lets see, some excellent lenses+good selection of lenses, excellent IQ; I have raws from other sources, then there are NX300 raws you can see.

So it looks like you didn't bother to investigate the Samsung NX system or this particular sensor.

Oh well, it's is kind of expensive. And too slow to start up from fully off, needs more buttons, even if running Android. The point you ask? Samsung was/is trying something else. Good networking if that kind of thing is important to you.

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AlpCns2
By AlpCns2 (5 months ago)

Not the opinion of some world class photographers that actually handled one, and shot extensively with it.

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kona_moon
By kona_moon (5 months ago)

I enjoyed using the first NX camera (NX-10). The IQ for its time was decent, the ergonomics was outstanding, and the user interface (menu system/buttons/controls) was the most user-friendly of all digital cameras I have ever used. Unfortunately, each subsequent models got worse... and now we have NX Galaxy. Samsung is going the wrong way.

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (5 months ago)

$1,699.99 (lens included) for a camera that is "less than the sum of its parts."

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Gesture
By Gesture (5 months ago)

"Samsung's lens collection is relatively small at this point"

That simply isn't true. I stopped there. Not to mention that you can fit thousands of legacy lenses to the NX bodies.

See Viking79 below. And it is a very rational line-up that hits a great progression of prime focal lengths. Who else has such an affordable 24mm equivalent, or 30mm and 45mm equivalents.

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monkeybrain
By monkeybrain (5 months ago)

What they mean is: "DpReview's collection of Samsung lenses is relatively small at this point." They say they tested a variety of lenses but mention none of Samsung's others, including the several excellent primes. Instead they use a Pentax prime not designed for the Samsung sensor. The Samsung 45mm gives almost the same field of view, why not use that?

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Dennis
By Dennis (5 months ago)

It isn't true if you restrict your shooting to wide-to-normal primes. 45/1.8 on APS-C is a lens nobody wants; 85/1.4 is a monster, then you have pedestrian slow kit zooms. Not much to pick from.

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ET2
By ET2 (5 months ago)

"Samsung's lens collection is relatively small at this point"

That's absolutely a true a statement, No third party supports Samsung mount either

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viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

Not true Dennis, 10mm f/3.5 FE, 16mm f/2.4, 20mm f/2.8, 30mm f/2 are 4 primes in the wide to normal range. The 45mm f/1.8 is an amazing short 50 (same field of view as 70mm end on 24-70mm or 70-200mm on full frame), and the 12-24mm is an amazing value.

The 85mm might be a monster, but no other mirrorless camera has such a lens for such a price. It is a great 85mm f/1.4 for half the price of equivalent lenses from Nikon.

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AlpCns2
By AlpCns2 (5 months ago)

@Gesture is correct. Kirk Tuck, for example, has shot extensively with the camera and lenses and was quite enamored with both. The IQ is outstanding and the lenses are gems, The focal lengths make sense, they offer a great selection, and the prices are extremely low for the quality. What's not to like?

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shademaster
By shademaster (5 months ago)

Denis, the main reason most of us NX users bought NX was precisely BECAUSE of the lenses. For other issues (no wireless flash, general unresponsiveness, poor buffer depth) most of us would have gone NEX or μ4/3. I got: NX200 for $400, 16mm for $220, 30mm for $250, 45mm for $220, and 85mm for $500 (after points back). The 16mm is good and the rest are awesome. NEX would be bigger and more expensive. μ4/3 would be as small but still more expensive. There is no other system that comes close at the price.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

shademaster:

In case you don't know: the buffer speed/capacity on this G'NX is excellent--and that's shooting raw. My guess would be real RAM chips allow for that buffer speed.

I don't like the G'NX's interface for obvious reasons, but I sure liked the buffer speed.

I heard a rumor about more good NX lenses, but who knows.

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JWest
By JWest (5 months ago)

@ET2 - please do your research before making unsubstantiated statements. Both Samyang and Rokinon have released several lenses for the NX mount.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

JWest:

Remember Samyang and Rokinon are one and the same.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

Howaboutraw: as I shew you some posts above, the buffer in gnx is NOT good at all. It has the same performance of nx300. I don't know where you found the incorrect info, please report the source. Gnx can do JUST 5 raw in a row, which is ridicolous for a camera priced this high (is ridicolous even for nx300, priced at one third...).

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

tecnoworld:

And remember here I'm not making claims about the buffer speed when shooting raw in continuous. As you've acknowledged elsewhere, I only commented on the speed of single raws in quick succession. And here the G'NX vastly exceeds the capacity of the NX300.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

Yup, I replied about this in the prev. post. Thx.

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MrTaikitso
By MrTaikitso (5 months ago)

I have a Samsung EX2F, way better value and more practical to use. Tactile controls make it a pleasure to use and the low light IQ is pretty good as long as you don't pixel peep. Best of all, the display articulates and the camera fits in a large pocket.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Okay, that's a nice raw shooting P&S, with a much smaller sensor and it doesn't take different lenses. Why bring it up when writing about an APSC sensored body?

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SushiEater
By SushiEater (5 months ago)

4360mah battery? How? Is the whole camera a battery?

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viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

Look at the grip. I imagine this thing has a pretty long battery life if you shoot a bunch of images without using the quad core Android processor much. People compare this to DSLR, etc, but none of those have a quad core 1.6 GHz processor in them, this thing packs some extreme processing power.

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Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (5 months ago)

I really would love to try this new hybrid kind of camera, but alas ... I can grab a used GH3 and a new GX7 for that price and there really is no contest ... I have the Galaxy S3 in my pocket for when I want to play with Android :-)

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Mike Walters
By Mike Walters (5 months ago)

I just cannot see why, unless you are a journalist, you need to have a camera 'connected' all the time...unless you think that everyone ele is interested in everything you are doing....

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lol101
By lol101 (5 months ago)

Yeah... that's the very reason why Twitter and Facebook are such failures... nobody really wants to share everything they are doing...
;-)

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Mike Walters
By Mike Walters (5 months ago)

Popularity doesnt necessarily mean it is good.....look at McDonalds, or the muic charts (pop). And I was saying that 'I' could not undertand....jut as I can't undestand why someone would want to eat a McDonalds or listen to Britney Spears...

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rpm40
By rpm40 (5 months ago)

I understand your point, but when it comes to marketing a product, popularity almost necessarily means good. They're in it to make money, not to please the critics.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

Lol101: the average fb and twitter user will never even consider this camera (big, bulky, expensive) and will stay with her smartphone.

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Old Baldy
By Old Baldy (5 months ago)

Exactly. The form factor makes it a non starter for the crowd that it's intended to serve, IMO.

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mad marty
By mad marty (5 months ago)

Who spends 1600$ for this Frankenstein-monster when you can get a Sony A7???

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (5 months ago)

All depends on priorities....the Sony arguably gets you better IQ and nicer DoF but you can't edit an image or upload it directly to EyeEm/Instagram or even play Angry Birds on it ;-) Also, don't forget the Sony lenses are awfully expensive...

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (5 months ago)

Get the 20MP APS-C Sony A3000 with 18-55mm and 55-210mm OSS lenses for $498 and a SDHC wi-fi card.

Sony A3000 vs Nikon D4 @ 1600 iso :
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3767/10676487114_ec81b5532e_o.jpg

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viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

I find it ridiculous you keep trying to compare the A3000 to the D4. The D4 is so far ahead of it in terms of high ISO I don't know why you try. The D4 JPEG are not processed so the user can process them as desired, and not to mention most will probably be shooting RAW anyway.

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (5 months ago)

I bet most of consumers with low cost (under $500) cameras never go higher than 1600 iso or shoot RAW and will not see the difference between the two. I find it ridiculous that YOU do not know that.

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mad marty
By mad marty (5 months ago)

This is about 1600$ price range and not low cost.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

mad marty:

The A7 is an exciting body. Which in the next version may really challenge APSC censored mirrorless bodies.
But not right now.

High ISO noise is a problem with the A7, the shutter is way too audible. And something is lacking from the raws, even those shot with the Sony Zeiss lenses.

So Fuji, Samsung and Olympus have some room to breath.

I don't particularly like the interface of this Samsung Galaxy NX; it's too slow to start up form all the way off, formatting the card is stupidly complex, it needs more physical buttons even if running Android. It needs to take a real SD card--two of them--not a micro SD card.

But the price includes a lens and the Sony's price doesn't.

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viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

@ Joe, Sure, like a consumer is going to be cross shopping a D4 and an A3000. I always tell people that the difference in image quality between the best and worst cameras is not very significant, the main difference is features. Your example of A3000 is sort of out of place here, Samsung usually runs a lot better deals than Sony on cameras.

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (5 months ago)

So many things wrong with Joe's reasoning, it's amazing. If anyone shoots above ISO1600 it's amateurs with a slow kit lens, and yes amateurs don't us raw that's exactly why it's pointless comparing to D4 jpeg's (aside from the main ridiculousness of comparing the two), like the viking says. Not to mention the complete lack of purpose for this whole discussion in the first place.

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viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

Thanks for the honest overview, would like to try one myself. You mention not many lenses, maybe there are plenty?
12-24, 10/3.5 fisheye, 16/2.4, 20/2.8, 30/2, 45/1.8, 60/2.8 macro, 85/1.4, then all the standard zooms, 18-200, 18-55, 20-50, 50-200.

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Dennis
By Dennis (5 months ago)

It's one thing to have some number of lenses. Another to have lenses that anyone actually wants.
45/1.8 for 1.5X crop ? 85/1. 4 monster lens ?
Samsung has it pretty well covered for WAs (and the enviable 30/2) and basic consumer zoom options. That's not much of a lens lineup IMO.

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viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

You are right, no one wants a 70mm equivalent lens, because no one shoots with a 24-70mm or 70-200mm and ever uses the 70mm setting. /sarcasm

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (5 months ago)

Dennis: ''''It's one thing to have some number of lenses. Another to have lenses that anyone actually wants. '''''
And to see them in shops.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

The Jacal:

Samsung has made a real effort to get gear for display into B+H in New York over the last 10 months.

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JWest
By JWest (5 months ago)

@Viking - not to mention all the third party NX mount lenses available, like the excellent Samyang 8mm fisheye.

@Jacal - It is a shame that shops don't stock more Samsung gear, but it's hardly a major barrier to acquiring it in these days of online shopping.

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Jogger
By Jogger (5 months ago)

For lols, you can pair this with the Sony QX10 or QX100 lens/camera thingys.

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GreenPig
By GreenPig (5 months ago)

Mirrorless - yes
DSLR - No

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0MitchAG
By 0MitchAG (5 months ago)

Why is this in connect?

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (5 months ago)

Because it is a connected camera.

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neo_nights
By neo_nights (5 months ago)

Funny thing is that if this was at DPReview, there'd be comments: "Why is this smartphone frankenTOY here at DPReview? It should be at Connect!"

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shademaster
By shademaster (5 months ago)

In 3 years all new digital cameras will have android (or iOS or Windows). Does DPReview get put out to pasture in favor of Connect at that point? ;)

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (5 months ago)

Not happening shademaster. In 3 years they will be all manual and shaped like a FE2 with no screen on the back, but have wifi. ;)

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babalu
By babalu (5 months ago)

Well, if that rear view LCD were an actually DETACHABLE smartphone, then yes, this would have been innovative and -possibly- a trend setter to enable remote control on DSL(R)S.
As is now, it's definitively NOT the best of both worlds.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

Even if the sensor apparently is the same as nx300, I see much more chroma noise in raw pictures for the galaxy nx. Perhaps they are not really the same or something in the hw is different, so to change the way the raw are rendered.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

what raw extraction software are you using?

the high ISO samples that I've shot with the NX300 and my 30mm f/2.0 are excellent.

though a newish version, that OIS kit zoom from Samsung does not have the greatest optical reputation.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

I'm very happy with raw from nx300. I'm saying that the galaxy nx samples seem noiser than those I get from nx300.

I use Lr, btw.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

tecnoworld:

Okay, that wasn't clear that you have a NX300.

I downloaded some Galaxy NX raw samples from DPReview and I think I see the problem you're referring to. I'd forgotten that ACR had been updated to extract these raws.

There are also Galaxy NX raw samples for download at PhotographyBlog; those don't seem to have the high ISO chroma problem--but they're just a picture of books in a book case.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

Exactly. I think the sample used at dpr had some sensor problem, since I can see my files from nx300 are clearly better since iso800 and up...

Or perhaps the galaxy nx uses a slightly different sensor, who know. One notable difference is that gnx can't do 1080p at 60fps, while nx300 can.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

tecnoworld:

Look at the raws from www.Photographblog.com. The ISO 3200 and 6400 raws there look fine to me.

Here's the link, the raws are at the bottom of the page in a separate section: http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/samsung_galaxy_nx_review/sample_images/

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (5 months ago)

Saw them now, actually much better than those here on dpr and about the same level of nx300. Thx!

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Brian D. Schneider
By Brian D. Schneider (5 months ago)

It's not a DSLR.

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (5 months ago)

Such as crappy IQ. Either bad copy or user error. Does it have NR setting?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

jcmarflph:

Shooing raw the NX300, same sensor, AF, has excellent image quality through ISO 6400. It's real unlikely that this Galaxy NX is significantly different.

What raw extraction software were you using? And does ACR 8.2 even support this body yet.

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bigley Ling
By bigley Ling (5 months ago)

@HowaboutRAW

Since you know alot about this camera, do you know how well the AF performance is compared to a Sony Nex6 or Sony 5T?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

bigley Ling:

Can't say in comparison to the Nex 6. But both the G'NX and NX300 seem to focus pretty fast; I've only tried the kit zoom on the G'NX. It's good on sensor PDAF for both bodies.

If you want more raws for download than DPReview posted look at PhotoGraphyBlog's review from some weeks ago.

(I'll say here that the OIS kit zoom doesn't have the greatest optical reputation--the one that DPReview used is likely V3 and is probably better than V2, but nowhere near the optical quality of good Samsung NX lenses.)

Not sure I know a lot about this camera, but I did handle it at a trade show. It wouldn't format my microSD card, else I'd have my own raws. (Also got to learn about the stupid complexity of formatting the microSD card on this camera.)

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