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Nokia shares first official image samples from 41MP Lumia 1020

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Initial image samples from the new Lumia 1020 provided by Nokia have us eager to start snapping our own gallery. Click on any image to view it in high resolution.

Nokia is already showing off the imaging capabilities of the Lumia 1020 smartphone it announced yesterday

The samples show off the photographic possibilities made possible by the device's 41MP imaging sensor, an iteration of the groundbreaking technology the company debuted last year in the 808 PureView phone. While the 41MP spec and 34MP to 38MP maximum file output size (depending on aspect ratio) sounds impressive, the real value of such high pixel density lies in oversampling for a higher quality image output at more manageable files sizes. The Lumia 1020 allows you to simultaneously shoot both a full-resolution capture and an oversampled, immediately shareable 5MP version of every image. (If you really want to delve into the science of oversampling, check out Nokia's whitepaper on the Lumia 1020, and specifically page 6.)

And while the 808 was the first phone to showcase this technology, expectations are even higher for the Windows Phone 8-powered Lumia 1020, which Nokia says offers completely redesigned sensor hardware. We think the Lumia 1020's 41MP 1/1.5" back-side-illuminated sensor might hold even more promising photographic potential with its more modern design, combined with a faster aperture.

Although the 1020's sensor is around 30% smaller than the one found in the 808, it's still larger than the 1/1.7" type found in most high-end enthusiast compact cameras. The Lumia 1020's aperture is also 1/3EV faster (F2.2 vs F2.4), which makes up for much of the difference in sensor size.

The 808's front-side-illuminated sensor didn't perform as well as its spec may have suggested. When tested by DxOMark, the 808 performed only slightly better than a 5-year-old-camera — specifically the Canon PowerShot G9. The 808's Nokia/Toshiba sensor was larger and several years newer than the G9's, yet it barely out-performed it. It was noticeably out-done by a contemporary camera, Canon's S100. Both the Nokia and the S100 used FSI CMOS sensors and yet the S100 was found to be noticeably better. This means there's considerable room for the new BSI sensor in the 1020 to improve over the 808's: meaning we may finally see a smartphone that's not just a match for the latest mainstream compacts, but one that can compete with some of the best enthusiast compacts on the market.

The Lumia 1020 also employs optical image stabilization, a six-element Zeiss lens and a new Nokia-developed Pro Cam app, which seem to result in some impressive initial samples provided by the Finnish phone maker today. 

While we'll wait to make any real conclusions until we can take our own sample images with the Lumia 1020, our hands-on with the device at yesterday's press event in New York City has us eager to see more.

Comments

Total comments: 233
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Dan DeLion
By Dan DeLion (Jul 19, 2013)

Very nice details for a cell phone. Not really very impressive when compared to todays cameras. I would expect this kind of resolution from a $200, 16MP pocket camera.

2 upvotes
kriztian
By kriztian (Jul 17, 2013)

I see some people here don´t like W8 but due to a survey I saw recently 25% of current apple and android user wants to shift to a Windowsphone. Adding the outstanding camera is a genius stroke and the pro apps will be installed in the updates for 920 and 920 possible also the 820 and 720. Regarding the camera I want to stress the fact that you can zoom after you taken the pics and also you have the 2.2 lens even at full "zoom". With dual core in WP they have created a faster cheaper and better phone than apple. Many people are fed up with Apples high prices on top of that. When you order your Nokia 1020 you get a better phone, a more modern OS and a top notch camera for the same price as an old apple. Both Android and Apple has done the mistake of putting all the efforts on newer and stronger processors instead of updating the OS. This is a serious mistake and in Germany and England Windows are top Sellers. When 1020 hits US we shall se what happens :)

3 upvotes
AndyHWC
By AndyHWC (Jul 19, 2013)

still prefer some level of optical zoom but this is no question the best camera phone available today. WP8 should be a good OS too, I am happy even with WP7.5 other than a few glitches. Hopefully battery life is good.

1 upvote
Prime_Lens
By Prime_Lens (Jul 16, 2013)

41mp.. if anything.. great for resizing and sharpening! Because there is just so much detail, bad or good, once resized, it looks stunning!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-teD5Fj5YkiM/UeWehdkRNfI/AAAAAAAAC1c/FpNlve2vGbk/w1928-h1088-no/city_nokia.jpg

5 upvotes
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 17, 2013)

Great demonstration, this result is absolutely mind blowing for a smartphone. At that resolution (facebook and web friendly), it is absolutely flawless, pixel sharp, zero noise, great dynamic range and colors. The default 5mp downsampled should be similar, and that is the whole concept of this 41mp sensor !

1 upvote
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 17, 2013)

Another one, resized to 5MP:

http://masters.galleries.dpreview.com.s3.amazonaws.com/2627746.jpg

Tack sharp, almost no noise. The potential is there !

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Jul 16, 2013)

That's pretty astonishing.

http://connect.dpreview.com/files/p/cms_posts/7739037780/nokia-lumia-1020-pro-highres-17.jpg

3 upvotes
Sowande
By Sowande (Jul 15, 2013)

GYAHHH, look at that redeye!!!

I think the photos are really impressive. Something about them screams Nokia though ... the noise correction, perhaps?

2 upvotes
dmanthree
By dmanthree (Jul 15, 2013)

Pics aren't bad, but it's too bad that the camera is marooned in a Windows phone that nobody wants. It if isn't IOS or Andriod, forget it.

2 upvotes
Wissam87
By Wissam87 (Jul 15, 2013)

I use Windows Phone. and I am glad to use it. its really excellent OS. simple, fast, secure and innovative design.

6 upvotes
CortoPA
By CortoPA (Jul 16, 2013)

Basically, What you are saying is that the only phone operating systems to exist now and in the future is IOS or Android.

Pretty narrow minded.

4 upvotes
The Dro
By The Dro (Jul 16, 2013)

Secure and Windows in the same sentence. That's new.

2 upvotes
skyrunr
By skyrunr (Jul 16, 2013)

I'm VERY open minded when it comes to operating systems. I have used a Windows phone for over a month. When it comes to BASIC customization and apps, Windows Phone is by far the least productive of all. You can't even view more than 5-7 email messages at a time, change font sizes, snooze an event (for a few hours, day, or week a BASIC outlook function), and most "settings" pages are completely EMPTY!

You also can't sync to a desktop without a third party application or exchange server!

Activate a few live panels and watch your battery power drain away. Which you can't change the size, color, or layout of (yet).

These are all features I had in 2002 technology Palm OS 3.x. Not only that but I had a unknown caller ringtone, audio voicemail reminder, and an LED light I could see. The non-color back-lit LCD screen let me wait about two weeks with light phone use!

Then add RAW support, long press numbers and symbols, alternate keyboard (swipe) support, and you're back to Android.

1 upvote
ptox
By ptox (Jul 16, 2013)

The Dro: that's just ignorant.

1 upvote
AndyHWC
By AndyHWC (Jul 19, 2013)

ptox, exactly. Not many people realize Android has the most security issues among modern mobile platforms It is basically the Windows in desktop. The difference is modern malware often operates in stealth mode just to steal your data.

1 upvote
costinul_ala
By costinul_ala (Jul 23, 2013)

windows is pretty secure since Vista. Arguably the most secure OS. Actually most vulnerabilities on Windows come from third party software (java and flash accounting for most with winamp, quicktime and itunnes following)

0 upvotes
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 15, 2013)

We should not forget that the 1020 is significantly slimmer than the 808. What they accomplished in such a thin package is truly amazing, and even though we, hardcore photographers, would've preferred a slightly bigger sensor (as in 808), the mass market won't see the difference between 1/1.5 and 1/1.2, but it will see the difference in overall design. I have been carrying my 808 everywhere with me for 8 months and whenever I show the photos it produces to random people, they are all amazed, but they all find it too thick and too ugly to even consider buying it.

And I'm sure that the newer sensor (with BSI), the slightly faster lens and especiall the OIS will partly compensate for the slightly smaller sensor. I hope they improve the processing algorithms in the 1020 (for a more natural look).

I am impatient to see direct comparisons against the 808. Everything else is just speculation.

A good article:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/15/nokia_lumia_1020_technical_walkthrough/

5 upvotes
stevo23
By stevo23 (Jul 15, 2013)

The 41Mp isn't impressing me because we all know that higher counts don't necessarily equal better image quality.

But the image quality is certainly excellent for a smartphone.

1 upvote
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 15, 2013)

" excellent for a smartphone". That's the most important thing. And re the 41MP, don't forget that by default, it downsamples the photo to a great looking 5MP photo which will look better and will outresolve all other smartphones easily (except the nokia 808 )

6 upvotes
Prime_Lens
By Prime_Lens (Jul 16, 2013)

41MP will go long way for digital(crop) zooming, when optical zooming is not possible.

Most of smartphone camera users, use it to capture something on the fly and share it on a social network on the fly, and all they need is something no more than 2MP, and any type of zooming is always welcome, as long as the end result is good enough.

One perk of crop zooming is that.. F-number will not fluctuate like you see in many optical zoom lenses.

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Katia Karm
By Katia Karm (Jul 15, 2013)

Amazing quality of aerial images! I also found out that Lehmann (some drones manufacturer) launched a new drone done for Nokia 1020. Might be super interesting for personal aerial photography!

http://blog.gsmarena.com/make-your-lumia-1020-into-a-fully-functional-surveillance-drone-for-e4990-with-the-lehmann-la300/

2 upvotes
ZC Lee
By ZC Lee (Jul 15, 2013)

1/1.2" sensor's size is 56% larger then 1/1.5" sensor. and,
F/2.2 is 20% faster then F/2.4. (right? not very sure)
And, why say 41MP? If pixels can't use, don't count it.

1 upvote
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 15, 2013)

Or you could say that the 1/1.5 sensor represents 64% of the 1/1.2 sensor area.

0 upvotes
CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

BSI > FSI
modern sensor S/N ratio is better
BUT
you're right - there's is a trade-off there - for OIS

1 upvote
zubs
By zubs (Jul 15, 2013)

Not bad at all for a cameraphone. It will raise the stakes for development by other manufacturers.

3 upvotes
GMart
By GMart (Jul 15, 2013)

For a camera on a phone, not bad. As a camera replacement, no chance.

0 upvotes
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 15, 2013)

It can't replace a dedicated camera (m4/s, DSLRs,high-end point and shoots, etc), but it easily replaces many of the cheaper point and shoots (many of them even have smaller sensors !).

7 upvotes
Bizair
By Bizair (Jul 15, 2013)

Stop the silliness. It's all about sensor noise. This does not even come close to a full frame capability in regard to IQ. Maybe in the future, but it's no where near that type of quality yet.

1 upvote
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 15, 2013)

You don't say !

7 upvotes
rocklobster
By rocklobster (Jul 15, 2013)

Why all the comaprisons to FF? Irrelevant and impossible in a slim format.

3 upvotes
ptox
By ptox (Jul 16, 2013)

It's a bird! It's a plane! It's CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!

Durrrrrrrrr

2 upvotes
halc
By halc (Jul 15, 2013)

More samples at:

http://aani.nokia.fi/2013/07/11/21795/
http://cdn.aani.nokia.fi.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/WP_20130611_23_54_52_Pro__highres_small.jpg
http://cdn.aani.nokia.fi.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/WP_20130310_14_32_39_Pro__highres_small.jpg
http://cdn.aani.nokia.fi.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/WP_20130307_17_59_06_Pro__highres_small.jpg
http://cdn.aani.nokia.fi.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/bokeh.jpg

Still looks_VERY_ good for a cam phone.

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Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 15, 2013)

Wow, dynamic range looks even better than on the 808!

5 upvotes
CortoPA
By CortoPA (Jul 15, 2013)

Great images.

Again, for a "Camphone", This thing seems pretty much on top of the heap ATM.

Hopefully, For us photo enthusiasts, This will create much competition and even greater options soon to come.

1 upvote
rocklobster
By rocklobster (Jul 15, 2013)

Would like to see what a real camera manufacturer could do with that sensor. Wake up Sony...this is surely your area of expertise.

4 upvotes
rocklobster
By rocklobster (Jul 15, 2013)

Those daylight images (especially Liberty Is) have more noise and noise reduction smearing of detail than I remember for the PureView 808. Perhaps better at lower resolution but direct comparison to iPhone 5/Samsung S4 required before I would consider and then Windows OS maybe a negative.

Cheers

1 upvote
GMart
By GMart (Jul 15, 2013)

Got and 808 in the house (not mine) - it produces far better pictures than any of these examples.

0 upvotes
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 15, 2013)

@ GMart
I own the 808 and it doesn't produce "far better pictures". It is slightly better at full resolution, but this is has an early software and the noise/sharpening problems you see in those samples can evolve, I remember the 808 was quite bad above 400 ISO in the first firmware version, and 2-3 months later it became significantly better.

4 upvotes
rocklobster
By rocklobster (Jul 15, 2013)

Conclusion - Smartphone image quality better than some compact cameras but not up to standard of Canon S110 or Sony RX100.

1 upvote
Rick Knepper
By Rick Knepper (Jul 14, 2013)

Resolution is impressive, noise isn't. I'm waiting on the FF, satellite version.

0 upvotes
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 15, 2013)

Yeah, me too, quite disappointed. Really angry that Nokia didn't put a full frame sensor in it. What were they thinking !? ;)

2 upvotes
dennishancock
By dennishancock (Jul 14, 2013)

I find Nokia's whitepaper on the Lumia 1020 to be pseudo-engineering without any math--a.k.a marketing hype--and only serves as the latest example of elucidation through obfuscation. It might serve to make the clueless feel they're purchasing some advanced technology, but really, how is Bayer sensor interpolation noise overcome by (electrically noisier) oversampling?

1 upvote
tompabes2
By tompabes2 (Jul 14, 2013)

the answer is in the samples: what do YOU think? I think that they are impressive, for a smartphone, and even better than most entry level compact cameras. And I've been looking at hundreds (if not thousands) of samples form cameras and smartphones during the last 10 years. If only the phone had Android, it would sell a lot, unfortunately it has WP. I'll wait for the Moto X, that seems very promising.

7 upvotes
Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Jul 14, 2013)

@tompabes2

Sure they are better than entry level compacts. But not thanks to some mysterious advanced oversampling which is just another name for downsampling) but due to the sensor size.

Frankly they are not pixelpeepable in shadow areas (noise) not even at ISO100. You have to downsample, and then they become no different IQ-wise from any output from similarly sized enthusiast compact sensor.

808 fared better because of larger sensor: by 50%, not 30% as erroneously stated by dpr.

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zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (Jul 14, 2013)

electrically? noisier??

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Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Jul 14, 2013)

@dennishancock: exactly.

I noticed marketing-style dishonesty of the text when it tried to convince that cropping-based zooming is better than optical zoom because in case of optical zoom the aperture typicaly narrows down as you zoom in, forcing higher ISO.

They forgot to mention the fact that in case of cropping-based zooming the IQ gets lost at even faster rate, because it reduces the active sensor area used.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2013)

@ Rachotilko
There is also another one point that no one from dpr ever mentioned anywhere, and that is that the ONLY studio comparison of a phone camera is CHEATING 68% of the distance between the steady tripod and the comparison Chart from all the other studio tests ( and that is why the phone shows so much detail ).
The phone is equipped with a 28mm(35mm equivalent )
all the other shots from all the other cameras are shot with 85mm (the full frame) or 50mm (the APS-C 83 to 85mm equivalent ).
You will see that from the different angle of view the globe is projected (take a look at the numbers above) the link is this on the next comment .

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2013)

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studio-compare#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&masterCamera=nokia_pureview808&masterSample=2012-07-26-0606&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=nokia_pureview808&slot0Sample=2012-07-26-0606&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=nikon_d4&slot1Sample=dsc_4691&slot2Camera=canon_eos1000d&slot2Sample=canon1000d_iso800&slot3Camera=canon_g12&slot3Sample=img_1096&x=-0.3679655942543273&y=1.3970783845319446&extraCameraCount=0

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2013)

Notice the numbers covered by the globe only on the Nokia square.
The angle of view is much much closer !!!! than the competition

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Jul 14, 2013)

Petrogel, I must say it makes me wonder why you get so depressed about a brilliant camera phone? I get depressed about bad cameras npt good ones :)

Sorry, but I have to say that the globe is about the same size respectively in all the pictures from different cameras compared.

Just check it out: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studio-compare#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&masterCamera=nokia_pureview808&masterSample=2012-07-20-0454&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=nokia_pureview808&slot0Sample=2012-07-20-0454&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=nikon_d800e&slot1Sample=dsc_0082&slot2Camera=nikon_d7100&slot2Sample=dsc_0162&slot3Camera=canon_eos5dmkiii&slot3Sample=5d3_5198&x=-0.27194256828511937&y=1.209516054661301&extraCameraCount=0

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2013)

Talking about perspective and different angle of view :
1.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studio-compare#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&masterCamera=nokia_pureview808&masterSample=2012-07-20-0454&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=nokia_pureview808&slot0Sample=2012-07-20-0454&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=nikon_d800e&slot1Sample=dsc_0082&slot2Camera=nikon_d7100&slot2Sample=dsc_0162&slot3Camera=canon_eos5dmkiii&slot3Sample=5d3_5198&x=-0.917539611741217&y=-1.0766543008048288&extraCameraCount=0

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2013)

2.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studio-compare#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&masterCamera=nokia_pureview808&masterSample=2012-07-20-0454&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=nokia_pureview808&slot0Sample=2012-07-20-0454&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=nikon_d800e&slot1Sample=dsc_0082&slot2Camera=nikon_d7100&slot2Sample=dsc_0162&slot3Camera=canon_eos5dmkiii&slot3Sample=5d3_5198&x=0.9281084066097446&y=-1.1216576542588865&extraCameraCount=0

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2013)

3.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studio-compare#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&masterCamera=nokia_pureview808&masterSample=2012-07-20-0454&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=nokia_pureview808&slot0Sample=2012-07-20-0454&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=nikon_d800e&slot1Sample=dsc_0082&slot2Camera=nikon_d7100&slot2Sample=dsc_0162&slot3Camera=canon_eos5dmkiii&slot3Sample=5d3_5198&x=-0.41245486597850534&y=1.3355254443326627&extraCameraCount=0

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2013)

RageJoe i rarely get depressed i only don't like faux impressions

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MdNvS
By MdNvS (Jul 14, 2013)

The point of cropping-based zoom is a) to keep the dimensions smaller and b) so that during recording video, you don't record zooming mechanism sounds too.

1 upvote
vv50
By vv50 (Jul 14, 2013)

Yes, Petrogel! YES!!! please keep on going, please continue to show us how the 808 compares to a 5d Mk3, D7100, and D800E!!

3 upvotes
zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (Jul 15, 2013)

It appears to me that you just can't accept what it can do. The angle of view or how close the camera is to the subject doesn't matter in terms of detail in DPR's studio comparison tool.

Anyway, you just have to ignore Nokia's whitepaper as the advantages are sourced from it's quite large sensor and the matched optics with stabilization. I would rather having this with a moderate MP count, even at 10mp similar to the Nikon 1 just so that it is a bit better in the highlights and noise control at the highest ISOs.

4 upvotes
Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2013)

@vv50
No, i'm only showing them that they CAN NOT be compared with DSLR's

@zodiacfml
you really believe that : "The angle of view or how close the camera is to the subject doesn't matter in terms of detail " ? ?

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Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 15, 2013)

@ Petrogel, as long as the framing is the same, it doesn't matter if you are close with a wide angle, or far away with a telephoto ! Actually, telephoto lenses are usually sharper across the frame which would even give the DSLRs with a 85mm an advantage compared to the wide angle in a mobile phone. If you put the smartphone at the same distance as the the cameras that use a telephoto, the framing would be completely different (you would see the whole room) which would certainly not be a correct comparison for sensor resolution.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2013)

@zilk
Nothing is sharper than close distance the only issue would occur for the 808 is the barrel effect of the wide angle lens
About the sharpness thing, the position of the camera (being close to the chart and on the center ) can give a better detail of the script at the base of the table .

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2013)

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studio-compare#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&masterCamera=nokia_pureview808&masterSample=2012-07-20-0454&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=nokia_pureview808&slot0Sample=2012-07-20-0454&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=nikon_d800e&slot1Sample=dsc_0082&slot2Camera=nikon_d7100&slot2Sample=dsc_0162&slot3Camera=canon_eos5dmkiii&slot3Sample=5d3_5198&x=0.23314217747759233&y=-1.6984037558685445&extraCameraCount=0

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

DPREVIEW
FILTER, PLEASE !!!

1 upvote
Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 25, 2013)

DPREVIEW
FILTER, PLEASE !!!

1 upvote
keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Jul 14, 2013)

"Although the 1020's sensor is around 30% smaller than the one found in the 808, it's still larger than the 1/1.7" type found in most high-end enthusiast compact cameras. The Lumia 1020's aperture is also 1/3EV faster (F2.2 vs F2.4), which makes up for much of the difference in sensor size."

1/3EV makes up for a 30% reduction in sensor size? I'd love to see the math behind that one.....

I was very excited about this camera but then disappointed in the smaller sensor. I'll believe they compensated for the 30% reduction in size when I can compare some samples side by side, until then my guess is it's slightly worse and no better than the 808.

This also gave me a chuckle:
"the 808 performed only slightly better than a 5-year-old-camera"

Let me rewrite that for you:

"The 808, amazingly, performed better than 2007's Canon G9, a camera that dpreview claimed was "as it gets in a compact camera".

ref: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong9/20

2 upvotes
keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Jul 14, 2013)

Sorry about the typo above. "as it gets"?

Here's the actual dpreview quote:
"IQ-wise the G9 is about as good as it gets in a compact camera"

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Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Jul 14, 2013)

Well, that was 2007. How does 808 compare to G15, X10, XZ-2 and RX100 with their bright zoom lens, flashes, hotshoes, viewfinders?

Frankly, I dont see anything revolutionary about these Pureview phones. They use conventional sensors: the hyped oversampling is no different from plain downsampling. The only remarkable part is the prime lens, probably of high resolution.

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Jul 14, 2013)

The "revolution" is that they are cramming a sensor physically larger than that used in the G15/X10 into a cell phone. "that was 2007?" I will gladly take the IQ of a G9 in my go anywhere fits in my pocket and makes phone calls/gets email device.

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Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Jul 14, 2013)

1. Is the area of the sensor on this one really smaller than the sensor on 808 only by 30% ? What are the physical dimensions ? I hope you guys are not comparing the diameter: what matters is area.

2. It is definitelly more noisy than 808. The lens is worse too.

3. This is surely a resolution king. But - in contrast to 808 -, shadows suffer a lot, so do corners. And I very much doubt the downsampled 5mpix will be substantially better than downsampled ouput of XZ-2 or G15

0 upvotes
JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (Jul 14, 2013)

Yes, Nokia should be making cameras, can't be so tough, just check what we have on the market...

1 upvote
Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Jul 14, 2013)

I dont understand: what do we have on the market ?

I see quite satisfying offer of mirrorless cameras and enthusiast compacts. And they even provide the real zoom, not cropping

0 upvotes
Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2013)

Yeah !!! with a proper lens you could call that a camera,

1 upvote
vv50
By vv50 (Jul 15, 2013)

nokia never claimed to manufacture the zeiss lenses

0 upvotes
Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2013)

Who told you it did ?

Comment edited 43 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
vv50
By vv50 (Jul 15, 2013)

you are the one who said it doesn't have "a proper lens", after someone else said "Nokia should be making cameras".

0 upvotes
Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2013)

yep and i didn't blame Nokia for that !!!

I'm afraid you need vocations badly you are very tense

Comment edited 9 minutes after posting
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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2013)

Come and visit Greece .... Live your myth in Greece
you can always bring your Nokia with you, we are Nokian Friendly !!!!!

0 upvotes
vv50
By vv50 (Jul 15, 2013)

Yes, Petrogel!

0 upvotes
CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

* FILTER *
is needed...

1 upvote
Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 25, 2013)

FOR SURE !!

1 upvote
canon person
By canon person (Jul 14, 2013)

Nicer images than those from my 5D3.

2 upvotes
draleks
By draleks (Jul 14, 2013)

Noob.

1 upvote
TC63
By TC63 (Jul 14, 2013)

Ummm suuuure lol

3 upvotes
Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2013)

Funny person !!!!!!!!

0 upvotes
zos xavius
By zos xavius (Jul 14, 2013)

you need glasses

0 upvotes
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 14, 2013)

The Nokia 808 (and this one) is amazing for a camera that fits in a smartphone, but it doesn't remotely come close to even the low-end DSLRs like the Nikon D3200.

7 upvotes
Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2013)

Where are you vv50?

0 upvotes
AndyHWC
By AndyHWC (Jul 19, 2013)

Want to trade? I will buy you a new 1020 whenever it comes out ;-)

Comment edited 18 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Miguel J Princz
By Miguel J Princz (Jul 14, 2013)

I believe time has come where Nokia has to take the decision to abandon the cel. phone business and commit themselves to produce fine cameras, just fantastic the pictures....!!! If Nokia achieves this quality with such a small lens, can't imagine what it would look like with a real life lens.
Bravo Nokia!

9 upvotes
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 15, 2013)

I think their Lumia range of smartphones show amazing hardware quality. Elegant design AND solidity, a combination you can't find with Apple, Samsung and others. It would be quite a shame if they quit the smartphone business. The only thing that they need is better support & development from Microsoft for the OS they use (which still is maturing).

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YiannisPP
By YiannisPP (Jul 15, 2013)

Exactly right. Unfortunately much of that is lost on the buying herd. People behave like a herd thinking "ah, it's not Android, too bad" when in reality these Lumia phones are just as good as the Samsungs and Iphones. In fact try to drop an Iphone or an S4/S3 on a hard surface and see what happens...I have the 820 for 6 months now and have dropped it more than once and it looks like new and of course it works perfectly. No problems whatsoever so far with Windows 8, works as advertised, can't fault this phone. The only negative thing about it is that you cannot brag to your herd-member friends that it runs Android Jellyfish 4.3.4.5.5 or whatever and it's not an IPhone...

4 upvotes
Dimit
By Dimit (Jul 13, 2013)

People stop trolling! Camera wise this product seems to be a step ahead model.Sensor size is ok,resolution is excellent(and it counts,doesn't it?),windows 8 os is fine and apparently catching up(a note for Android overraters)..what more would you expect from a 2013 model?
Innovative steps from Nokia..back to the throne again in a couple of years time?

9 upvotes
Joel Benford
By Joel Benford (Jul 14, 2013)

How are people trolling? Trolling means saying something you don't really believe in a provocative way to annoy a group.

I think most people saying they wouldn't replace a camera with this phone (much as they'd like to), are just giving honest opinions.

2 upvotes
reality_check
By reality_check (Jul 14, 2013)

I find it interesting that trolling is framed as something that is provocative in a way to annoy a group. Could we then say that most of what is being presented in CNN and Fox trolling? Sadly, no mod. is going to remove their trolling, but, us, well, we better offer something plain and boring! BTW, how can one prove that one is saying something that one does not believe in? I guess some corporate entity can use that to censure free speech anytime they want, distorting concensus. 1984 is gone, but we are going back in time!

1 upvote
CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 25, 2013)

we neeeeeeeeeed a * FILTER * system !!!

1 upvote
areichow
By areichow (Jul 13, 2013)

The low light city shot looks pretty nice for a phone... But it's worth pointing out that it's a 3 second exposure at ISO 100. It'd be way more interesting and uesful to see what the phone could have done at a higher ISO.

9 upvotes
HawaiiVolcanoes
By HawaiiVolcanoes (Jul 13, 2013)

I personally think that the images look horrible. Looks more like 4.1MP to me. thank you

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CortoPA
By CortoPA (Jul 14, 2013)

Ok.

Horrible compared to what?

Other camera phones?

Because so far the samples look better than any other phones IMHO.

9 upvotes
YiannisPP
By YiannisPP (Jul 15, 2013)

I am sorry that people write comments without even realising how nonsensical their comments are. Hawaii obviously mistakes the number of MP to quality. And doesn't even know that if you downsample these 41MP to 4.1, the result will look flawless.

3 upvotes
HawaiiVolcanoes
By HawaiiVolcanoes (Jul 26, 2013)

what is your problem? I looked at the pictures..i think that they really SUCK..and you try to tell me they don't and that my eyes are lying to me. Let me say it again..these IMAGES LOOK HORRIBLE. period The megapixel "thing" was simply sarcasm..lighten up .

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0 upvotes
Joel Benford
By Joel Benford (Jul 13, 2013)

This is the first Connect article I've read through. I normally carry a cheapo mobile and a Nex-6 everywhere. I would be really happy to just take a phone.

But the pictures just aren't good enough. The low light shots are noisy, and the bokeh shot of the baseball has bokeh I dislike.

Oh well, hoped for the impossible, didn't get lucky. See you all next year.

0 upvotes
Lan
By Lan (Jul 13, 2013)

I don't really think it's fair to compare a cameraphone to a high-end prosumer camera, even when the prosumer camera is a few years old.

It still takes better pictures than many of the current compact cameras on the market.

No, it's not a D800. You can however fit it in your pocket, play music on it, browse the internet and even make phone calls on it. It also costs a lot less than a D800, even if you buy it outright.

This is a remarkable piece of kit, please stop being so negative about it!

13 upvotes
TC63
By TC63 (Jul 14, 2013)

That's all fine if you want a phone combo but as a cam? uhhhhh no thanks :)

0 upvotes
CortoPA
By CortoPA (Jul 14, 2013)

Well, Since it IS a combo....It's all fine.

3 upvotes
chrisnfolsom
By chrisnfolsom (Jul 14, 2013)

For what it is it is very impressive - with the flash night shots seems possible. I am sure those shots were taken under optimum conditions, but impressive - yes washed out or over compressed, but when made into 5mp they are quite nice - beyond any other camera pictures I have seen.

7 upvotes
makofoto
By makofoto (Jul 13, 2013)

That baseball shot looks great on my big screen! The lens lump doesn't look to large in profile. First consideration for a smart phone is that it must be sleek and light.

11 upvotes
OneGuy
By OneGuy (Jul 13, 2013)

Where we'll see how much pull a cam has will be in Europe.

Phones here have traditionally been unlocked and a consumer has front row seats.

In the States, I guess it will be: "Oh, and this new phone has a nice camera, too." No mention of MS Win8 and possibly not even Nokia. Yes, and don't say raw to the jolly Americans.

0 upvotes
Eric Hensel
By Eric Hensel (Jul 13, 2013)

Which particular nation of supermen are you from, Mr Oneguy? I sure wish I was you!

2 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jul 13, 2013)

Nokia is dead. No way this phone will outsell any Galaxy phone from Samsung, including S4 zoom.

5 upvotes
CortoPA
By CortoPA (Jul 13, 2013)

Relax, You get to keep your samsungs.

Other people simply like better IQ more than 1 million apps.

No need to get upset.

15 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jul 13, 2013)

Looking at the pictures, the quality is worse than any Samsung P&S camera, which includes Galaxy S4 zoom. End of story.

1 upvote
CortoPA
By CortoPA (Jul 13, 2013)

You have of course personally confirmed this Right?

Please, Just show us the images you have taken with both devices.

End of story indeed.......

12 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 13, 2013)

Beating any Samsung point and shoot camera is not that hard ;) and I think this Nokia phone beats a few of those cheap Samsung P&S cameras.
Nothing worse than Samsung fanboys, don't they have laundry to do in their Samsung washing machines...LOL

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areichow
By areichow (Jul 13, 2013)

You know, most phones don't outsell the iPhone or Galaxy phones... Does that mean they don't appeal to some segment of the market and are therefore not worth selling? Sorry bub, that's not how it works.

8 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jul 13, 2013)

My washing machine is actually Miele. I only buy the best. Nokia is not the best, so I won't buy it.

0 upvotes
jbnyc
By jbnyc (Jul 14, 2013)

To supeyugin1: Evidently you don't know about appliances either. Miele, Wolf, Sub Zero; Those are nice appliances, but they're not the top of the line. You probably also think BMW and Benz are top of the line, not aware of Aston Martin, Maybach, etc... (aren't y'all glad we're talking about cars and appliances in dp?)

1 upvote
markld
By markld (Jul 14, 2013)

No question Nokia is in a fight to be a major player, but to say they're dead, no way, dead companies don't come out with smartphones like this. They come out with mediocre stuff like BlackBerry. I picked a Nokia phone over a Samsung galaxy s3 and iphone5, and I'm glad I did. I even considered an S4, but to people who use their Nokia Lumia phones day in and day out, love how the phone works. In my case it is the Lumia 928 on Verizon, and the last time I checked about 2 weeks ago of the phone, on Verizon's site, they didn't reflect a company that is dead or dying or useless or crap. The reviews were through the roof. Nokia Lumia 928 are really good phones and a pleasure to take photos with.

3 upvotes
Silvarum
By Silvarum (Jul 14, 2013)

I just don't get how Galaxy S4 zoom is the best. Too bulky for a phone, too crappy camera even for a P&S.
There are, of course, people who will find IQ and size acceptable for their needs. But the best? Seriously?

2 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 14, 2013)

If you only buy the best why would you buy Samsung?
and troll Nokia phones....LOL

5 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jul 15, 2013)

Which phone other than Samsung has optical zoom and based on an actual P&S camera?
I think manufacturers only care about sales figures. The more they sell, the best for them. I doubt this Nokia phone will be a hit. And this is their flagship model.

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Silvarum
By Silvarum (Jul 15, 2013)

And how combining P&S and phone together makes it good exactly? If I take a phone and mix it with.. let's say a refrigerator, will it also be the best?
My point is, Galaxy S4 zoom can be too bulky for some people, while this Nokia might be just perfect.

3 upvotes
kimvette
By kimvette (Jul 13, 2013)

If this were an Android phone instead of Windows, an SD slot and 64 MB internal storage and a screen comparable to Samsung's S4, I'd consider it.

6 upvotes
IZO100
By IZO100 (Jul 13, 2013)

same here. Nokia would probably #1 instead of Samsung if it wasnt for Microsoft involvement.

6 upvotes
Pavel Sokolov
By Pavel Sokolov (Jul 13, 2013)

No, android market is tight and profitable only for a few companies. Generally for Samsung only (and Google). There is no space for Nokia.

6 upvotes
YiannisPP
By YiannisPP (Jul 15, 2013)

Only geeks like you care about if a phone runs Android or not, lol. Seriously, dare to differ, don't be such sheep whereby you feel it's only acceptable to praise Android and bash Microsoft! Grow up. I've sworn against PCs for years myself and don't particularly like MS, but I'm not their devoted enemy like you seem to be. The way some people defend Samsung and google here, you'd think they're shareholders! While in reality they're just the fashion victims those companies rely on to keep selling more than the competitors. Those Lumia phones are just too good, just open your minds a bit. Add an exceptional camera like in the 1020 and you have the perfect phone for photographers (which is still a phone and fits in your jeans pocket.).

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 13, 2013)

this is not MP war, but MP peace.
that 40MP is standard resolution we deserve.
(we = 20/20 vision 1.0 or worse)
not too bad for still, good enough for video.

160MP sounds good enough for still to me.
some may want more but difference should be little.

0 upvotes
CortoPA
By CortoPA (Jul 13, 2013)

I like it.

As far as the OS, I'm cool with Win 8.

These days Google worries me more than M$.

Looking forward to a full review!

13 upvotes
IZO100
By IZO100 (Jul 13, 2013)

you should read the news. Microsoft as already as a evil as Google, but read about what is coming with the new Xbox and Windows 8.1, you will avoid Microsoft for the rest of your life.

3 upvotes
JohnMcL7
By JohnMcL7 (Jul 13, 2013)

I have read about what's coming with Xbox One and Windows 8.1 but it doesn't sound like you have at all. Microsoft have done a complete u-turn on the DRM system for the Xbox One (which itself was not as bad as some of the existing systems) and 8.1 makes a few changes to Windows 8, some of which are to address customer complaints. So if your view of evil is changing your product to respond to customer criticism or complaints, your definition of the term is very different to mine.

14 upvotes
Josh152
By Josh152 (Jul 13, 2013)

One things for sure, low end compact cameras are over. Nikon/Canon/et all had better take notice.

3 upvotes
Tee1up
By Tee1up (Jul 13, 2013)

I think it will be when they manage to get rid of the dreadful slow slow shutter speeds in low light conditions. Take any of these cameras indoors and the hit/miss rate is unacceptable.

4 upvotes
John Miles
By John Miles (Jul 13, 2013)

Incredible output!

The knock on for camera sensors will be a revelation.

5 upvotes
natna
By natna (Jul 13, 2013)

5mp pureview is SMALLLL!

Nokias 85% jpeg "super fine" quality is a joke.
I have both N8 and 808 and in good lighting conditions untill sunset, I use 100% jpeg quality from third party camera apps. And iso 100.
12mp ---> 10mb super quality files! What a great start for post processing in my PC!
Twice the pixel peeping image quality.

Not impressed from the new sensor so far.
OIS is surely great.

The nokia camera app is great ui. Fast and very promising. Shutter control and 4secs is epic!

The lens on my 808 is almost flawless for a wide angle lens. There is a wide variation in lens quality in 808 devices.
Let's hope the 1020 will have better quality control.

The accessory grip is a great idea!
And the true innovation, in wp platform, is the stereo rich recording!

6 upvotes
keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Jul 14, 2013)

natna

Which camera app do you recommend for the 808?

Also, how did you test your lens as "flawless?". I have a few more days on my 808 return window, I'm pretty happy with the IQ to my untrained eye, but it would be nice to know if it could be better.

Thanks!

1 upvote
MdNvS
By MdNvS (Jul 14, 2013)

keepongoingon,
Most probably CameraPro by Harald Meyer (QT 3 version, ignore the other version). No other app comes even close. You can find it here: http://store.ovi.com/content/213849

1 upvote
Sidney Toledo
By Sidney Toledo (Jul 13, 2013)

In the evaluation of a photograph clicked with a cell find a huge breakthrough, but the assessment to replace a photographic camera this far to compare with compact photo camera picture with reflex.
Very poor dynamic range.
Totally blurred edges.
high noise
The colors not real.

2 upvotes
unknown member
By (unknown member) (Jul 13, 2013)

The skyline night shot looks surprisingly good but the day shots have horrible detail ruined by aggressive noise reduction.

5 upvotes
zoranT
By zoranT (Jul 13, 2013)

It doesn't look more impressive than the 808 or even the N8. The 41MP shots look way over-processed and blurred. Also there is an issue with dynamic range that was also the 808's problem. The 1020 may be better in low light though, but don't hype it only because it is a new development. In compact camera /camera phone business new developments very often lead to a decrease in IQ. For example, the N8 video is better than the 808 video. I am not convinced that this time it is different.

5 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2013)

"Also there is an issue with dynamic range that was also the 808's problem."

Interestingly, GSMArena's latest report ( http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_1020_preview-review-952p7.php ) states the following:

""The dynamic range is also much higher than any other flagship [phone] can offer. ... Just like the still images, the videos produced by the Lumia 1020 are beyond the capabilities of any other smartphone on the market. The detail levels are top notch, the colors are extremely pleasing and the dynamic range simply cannot be achieved with a smaller sensor.""

7 upvotes
Gryfster
By Gryfster (Jul 13, 2013)

I think it depends on the standard. Compared to any mobile phone the 808's DR is pretty excellent. Compared to a standard compact camera sensor (1/2.3" or 1/1.7") its pretty mediocre.

Also the 808 has a ND filter which helps but then you can lose some shadow. A variable aperture (or even the capability to close to like f/5.6) would be nice.

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vv50
By vv50 (Jul 13, 2013)

the 1020 does not share a single part with the 808 - so any argument against 808 doesn't apply to 1020.
http://conversations.nokia.com/2013/07/12/changing-the-game-again-from-nokia-808-pureview-to-nokia-lumia-1020/ - straight from the horse's mouth. why design variable aperture when it can simply be sharp wide open? for bright light - there's a 1/16000 shutter speed. for increased DOF? even with the fixed aperture, the hyperfocal distance is only 5-10 meters.

1 upvote
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 13, 2013)

@ Gryfster
ND filters, and different apertures doesn't change dynamic range at all.

1 upvote
zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (Jul 14, 2013)

The hype here is the decent OS instead of Symbian.....despite a long wait, maybe because they have to slim it down with some drawbacks when compared to the 808.

1 upvote
Gadgety
By Gadgety (Jul 13, 2013)

"the 808 performed only slightly better than a 5-year-old-camera"

Look what dpReview had to say last year about the 808:

"It's hard not to be impressed by the 808's performance here, especially at low ISO sensitivity settings. At its maximum resolution of 38MP the 808 is capable of capturing a ton of detail, and pixel-level image quality is up there with some of the best cameras around. In its 8MP PureView mode pixel-level image quality is extremely high at low ISO settings, and even up at its highest ISOs, the 808 gives a lot of 'proper' cameras a run for their money. "

6 upvotes
Gadgety
By Gadgety (Jul 13, 2013)

In addition - the 808 and the 1020 do VIDEO with high resolution stereo audio and noiseless zooming.

It also does 1/16000 to 4 sec exposure range. And is manually controllable.

BTW it's also a music or interview recorder: non-compressed 20bit 48khz recording -120dB, at 140dB distortion free, could be used by an audio studio, furthermore has free off line maps, Nokia Drive offline turn-by-turn navigation (!). And it's a phone.

Of course you could get individual devices that are perhaps a little sharper in each department, but you'd spend a few thousand dollars, and need a bag to carry them all in.

7 upvotes
unknown member
By (unknown member) (Jul 13, 2013)

"At its maximum resolution of 38MP the 808 is capable of capturing a ton of detail, and pixel-level image **quality is up there with some of the best cameras around. **"

A ridiculous statement from them.

3 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2013)

"A ridiculous statement from them."

You seemingly haven't ever seen a 808 image... unlike the DPReview folks.

I have compared the detail even early 2012 (at MWC) and found it _immensely_ better than that of P&S cameras.

9 upvotes
Gryfster
By Gryfster (Jul 13, 2013)

"It also does 1/16000 to 4 sec exposure range. And is manually controllable."

It is? How do you manually control the shutter speed on the Nokia 808? I want to know!

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vv50
By vv50 (Jul 13, 2013)

the 16000 only applies to 1020. for 808, manually increase the iso, negative exposure compensation to achieve faster shutter speeds. fix iso to 50, switch on the nd filter and increase exposure compensation to achieve slower shutter speeds

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3 upvotes
vaclav1
By vaclav1 (Jul 13, 2013)

What is the shutter lag of Nokia 1020?
Is it as slow as Nokia 808 ?

1 upvote
Hobbit13
By Hobbit13 (Jul 15, 2013)

Didn't find the shutter lag on 808 "slow". It's not DSLR like, but it's better than most compact cameras.

2 upvotes
Zlik
By Zlik (Jul 15, 2013)

If you focus bofore hand (half press or manually set to hyperfocal or infinity), when you press the shutter butter there is almost no shutter lag. AF acquisition is not the fastest (but it's very precise), but it is not the same thing as shutter lag.

2 upvotes
bossa
By bossa (Jul 13, 2013)

I can't believe that people are criticizing the lens - some people are clueless as to the context of any argument and cannot be expected to understand I suppose. The point of reference is definitely changing here and Nokia are writing a big message on the wall.

My iPhone 4 and old Canon P&S could never keep up with this although my K-5 and D800E's might give it a fair shake ;-)

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 13, 2013)

bossa the lens on these samples is poor compared to the lens on an iPhone 4s, 5 and samsung S4. It's noticeable at small image sizes as well. The size you would put on a website. Is that enough in 'context' for you?

0 upvotes
bossa
By bossa (Jul 14, 2013)

It's a step in the right direction and the context is P&S .

0 upvotes
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 13, 2013)

Stunning... really? The lens is a heap of junk. Look at the edges of the cityscape photos compared to the centre. Even at very small sizes it is very noticeable. A decent sensor mounted behind a dreadful lens. The lens might say Zeiss but there are phones out there from other brands with better optics. Really not going to be able to make the best of this sensor until Nokia improve lens quality.

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simmybear31
By simmybear31 (Jul 13, 2013)

Stu if you want a Zeiss lens of real quality you'll probably need 2 arms to hold the phone to your ear. Personally for non-independent sample I think these are pretty good and being able to keep a battery holder/adapter in my pocket as well makes this a good proposition.

5 upvotes
Smokeypossum
By Smokeypossum (Jul 13, 2013)

Stu 5 Your appraisal of the night scene with the ladies looking over the harbour is at first glance impressive. However when I downloaded the hires version it became very apparent that this is actually 2 or 3 different images. The centre section in the image has a blue cast with almost no magenta colours evident while the LHS and RHS area of the city scape are very out of focus and have a considerably more colour ie yellow and magenta than the central part of the whole image. Not sure if all the street lights in that area of town are all favoured with a blue cast and better focusing in the camera. perhaps this was a panorama multiple image stitched together.

1 upvote
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2013)

"The lens is a heap of junk. Look at the edges of the cityscape photos compared to the centre. Even at very small sizes it is very noticeable. A decent sensor mounted behind a dreadful lens. "

It (particularly the decentered lens - see the blur in the right half of the frame) seems to be a problem of the prototype unit. GSMArena's latest report ( http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_1020_preview-review-952p7.php ) states the following:

"“We are also pleased to report that the blurring along the right side of the frame, which is visible on the samples wasn’t present on our unit so it is definitely due to a imperfect prototype unit.”"

5 upvotes
unknown member
By (unknown member) (Jul 13, 2013)

There is nothing special about Zeiss. All lens manufacturers are capable of making great lenses, and obviously mediocre lenses.

2 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 13, 2013)

> The lens is a heap of junk.

a maker should be really mad to make a good quality lens and brand it as if it were made by someone else who knows little if any about modern cameras/lenses.

1 upvote
Gryfster
By Gryfster (Jul 13, 2013)

Why don't we wait for production sample before making definitive judgement on image quality? I mean no one makes a comment on pre-production cameras image quality?

2 upvotes
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 13, 2013)

Mennesisyys the problem is the left hand side is poor as well.

0 upvotes
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 13, 2013)

simmybear31 the issue is the lens is not as good as an S4 lens or an iPhone 4s or 5 and it is noticeable at small image sizes you would put on a website.

0 upvotes
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 13, 2013)

Gryfster the whole point is you make sure your company flagship phones photos are decent before you make the press release. You make sure that the images coming out of that sample camera are as near to 100% as possible, ie you make a really basic check that the lens on it is OK.

0 upvotes
vv50
By vv50 (Jul 13, 2013)

or maybe you just like nitpicking and pixel peeping on skyscrapers which aren't the point of focus.

1 upvote
Nathebeach
By Nathebeach (Jul 13, 2013)

Stu, I don't think you are their target market. That seems clear. Go buy yourself an SLR and stop trolling.

1 upvote
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 13, 2013)

Nathebeach I am not trolling. Read the whole of my post not part of it. The lens quality is poor compared to other mobile phone cameras such as Samsung S4 and iPhone 4s and 5.

0 upvotes
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 13, 2013)

vv50 you don't need to pixel peep to see the lens is not up to much in these sample photos. Even at a small size is is more than noticeable.

0 upvotes
vv50
By vv50 (Jul 14, 2013)

people don't need to read the rest of your post when you begin by calling anything a "heap of junk"

2 upvotes
YiannisPP
By YiannisPP (Jul 15, 2013)

Stu's comments are of poor quality compared to that of the rest of the commentators. I mean he looks at some prototype's samples and declares the lens worse than an iPhone lens...the guy is the definition of a troll, textbook stuff. Just tell him he's right and let him be happy.

2 upvotes
CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 17, 2013)

Can't that guy be moderated out of here like forever?!
I mean trolling once might be funny,
but this guy is polluting the place
Is there a filter?
I really want concentrate on the OTHER comments
negative or positive
BUT this is finally getting on my nerves
Does anyone know if there's another site without this guy around?
If dpreview does nothing I think that I just have to leave (or at least take a vocation)
You can see this guy and another one here
who also praised the Adobe Creative rip-off scheme

1 upvote
fotografer
By fotografer (Jul 13, 2013)

This is absolutely stunning coming form a mobile phone!!!

11 upvotes
CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Jul 13, 2013)

There is only one thing uncool here: Windows.

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7 upvotes
fotografer
By fotografer (Jul 13, 2013)

I am using an android phone atm. Windows phone is not that uncool, just came in late in the game, but I think this will help boost its profile.

5 upvotes
YiannisPP
By YiannisPP (Jul 15, 2013)

No CameraLabTester. Using such commonplace aphorisms (windows is bad, Android is cool, period) is not cool at all. You sound like a (not so cool) teenager to me.

4 upvotes
Greg Henry
By Greg Henry (Jul 13, 2013)

Tons of promise for this, and I'd love to be able to own one to be honest, and would even consider dealing with some of the limitations of a Win8 phone to do it. But there is *no way* I'm switching from Verizon to AT&T to get this phone.

Exclusives are not practical today. Regardless of whatever padding a carrier is paying you to do it, you're alienating tons of potential buyers. By the time it eventually leaks over to other carriers, who knows how many potential buyers will have already resigned on a new contract with a different phone? Bad move.

5 upvotes
Gryfster
By Gryfster (Jul 13, 2013)

Verizon will get a version.... eventually. ;-)

1 upvote
CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (Jul 17, 2013)

Verizon Lumia 1028
with a front camera Xenon flash

1 upvote
gwenhael appere
By gwenhael appere (Jul 13, 2013)

Souds interesting...but i'm completely put off by Windows Phone...Nokia, switch to Android please !

6 upvotes
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 13, 2013)

That would be a backward move.

8 upvotes
PeterK70
By PeterK70 (Jul 13, 2013)

For Android you would need an eight core processor running at 3GHz to do the same thing as Windows Phone is doing at only two cores.
You have your Android Galaxy Zoom plastic camera and you can see how uncool an android phone camera is.

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4 upvotes
halc
By halc (Jul 13, 2013)

PeterK70

Unfortunately that is untrue and as an argument, very ignorant.

Yes, Android UI can be laggy, but the OS reveals full CPU/GPU speed to apps. Double power SoC is double power on Android, even when compared to WP.

You may dislike Android. That is ok. However, please stop disseminating ignorant drivel.

5 upvotes
vv50
By vv50 (Jul 13, 2013)

"Nokia, switch to Android please !" - why would nokia sacrifice their integration with microsoft? if you stick to android, please wail at sony or samsung. you can't satisfy both brand fanaticism and operating system fanaticism

1 upvote
mehran langari
By mehran langari (Jul 13, 2013)

Very nice act of nokia ltd. Nokia is trying to show their camera in a good light with a pro photographer? Fast & good apeture at f 2.2

2 upvotes
Jikester
By Jikester (Jul 13, 2013)

The baseball shot is very impressive. That being said, I'm underwhelmed by the others which are noisy and look like they're from a $100 point and shoot.

3 upvotes
Rich J
By Rich J (Jul 13, 2013)

But the performance of a $100 point and shoot camera is leagues ahead of anything that's ever been seen in a phone camera before!

3 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2013)

It may have be as noisy as a P&S... however, it resolves 3-5 times more detail. It's like comparing a Foveon sensor to a Bayer one, bot at low ISO - or even better.

3 upvotes
unknown member
By (unknown member) (Jul 13, 2013)

"It may have be as noisy as a P&S... however, it resolves 3-5 times more detail."

Th detail looks awful though. Look at the statue shot at 100%, all the detail looks awful.

"It's like comparing a Foveon sensor to a Bayer one, bot at low ISO - or even better."

Compared to other phones yes the Nokia camera is better but not enough to cause me to buy this phone.

I own the Sigma DP 1 and 2 Merrill cameras and if I want superior image quality then that is what I carry. In fact, I often have one, or even both, with me.

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0 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2013)

"I own the Sigma DP 1 and 2 Merrill cameras and if I want superior image quality then that is what I carry. In fact, I often have one, or even both, with me."

Then, a cameraphone is definitely not for you. These things are CONVERGED devices for people not wanting to carry a separate camera with them.

6 upvotes
YiannisPP
By YiannisPP (Jul 15, 2013)

You guys are looking and judging the 38MP images. Nobody said this is a 38MP camera phone. These huge (noisy) files are meant to be downsampled before final use, either by the phone itself, or by you, using PS for example. When you do downsize those to say 10MP (as you would have from other similar devices), then come back and tell us how they compare.

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