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Microsoft has announced the latest member of its Surface tablet family, the Surface 3 Pro, at a press event in New York. According to Microsoft, the new model is designed to be a replacement for both your iPad and laptop. So it only makes sense the Surface Pro 3 is thinner and more lightweight than its predecessor, the Surface Pro 2, and at the same time comes with more powerful components and a larger, higher resolution screen. Microsoft likes to point out the Pro 3 is also 50% thinner than a MacBook Pro and 30% thinner than a 13.3-inch MacBook Air.  

With 5MP front and rear cameras, the Pro 3 doesn't look like a particularly competent capture device but its specifications make it look like a decent option for image editing on the go. The color-calibrated screen, measuring 12 inches at 2160 x 1440 pixels, offers plenty of resolution. Photographers will also appreciate the touch-optimized version of Photoshop for Windows that Adobe previewed at the Surface press event and will be released some time in the near future. It will allow for touch control of the user interface and image manipulation using the Surface Pro 3's stylus.

The Surface Pro 3 is noticeably thinner than most laptops.
Covers and keyboards are available in a range of colors.

The 4th generation Intel Core processors should provide plenty of power for imaging-related tasks, too. You can choose from Core i3, Core i5 and Core i7 options, and pick 4GB or 8GB of RAM. On-board storage capacity ranges from 64GB to 512GB. In terms of interfaces the Surface Pro 3 offers USB 3.0 port, a Mini DisplayPort for connecting external displays and a microSD card slot to expand the storage capacity. Battery life is 9 hours. 

Like previous Surface models the Pro 3 comes with a multi-position kickstand and optional keyboards. Within the next few months Microsoft will also announce a docking station, turning the Surface into a proper workstation. 

Adobe previewed a touch-optimized version of Photoshop at the Surface press event.

The Microsoft Surface Pro 3 will be available for pre-order on MicrosoftStore.com tonight at 12:01 am ET, starting at $799.  On May 21st you can also pre-order at Microsoft retail stores and Best Buy in the US. Availability is expected for June 20th in the US and many other countries around the world.


  

Comments

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arqomx
By arqomx (1 month ago)

too bad Microsoft doesn't sell it to Indonesia market, well at least not officially.. some MoU with OEM brands, I guess..

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stratplaya
By stratplaya (2 months ago)

But can it play modern games such as BF4 at a decent frame rate?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Can Ultrabooks running Win8, if the and is yes for a 2014 Ultrabook, then likely so.

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jon404
By jon404 (2 months ago)

My cameras use SD cards, not MicroSD cards. The Surface Pro 3 only has a MicroSD port. How does this help a photographer?

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dzukela
By dzukela (2 months ago)

use the same MicroSD card in micro to full size SD adapter for tha camera.

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nawknai
By nawknai (2 months ago)

That's the one thing I don't like about it. :O MicroSD on such a device isn't THAT useful, unless you're only using that slot to expand storage or something. Then again, it's not a phone. It comes with decent-sized drives (except the base model).

Everything else about it seems great.

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clientequator
By clientequator (2 months ago)

The Surface Pro 3 has a full size SD card reader port. In fact, ports include: Full-size USB 3.0 • microSD card reader • Headphone jack • Mini DisplayPort • Cover port .

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BarnET
By BarnET (2 months ago)

Client please read your own post. Full USB ain't an full sizevsd

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doberzinki
By doberzinki (2 months ago)

As an owner and heavy user of the original Surface Pro, not to include an update to the Full Size SDXC Port is a serious error. If the idea of trying to attract as many end users as possible is the end game, then somebody has lost site of the real deal.
I am sorry to see this omission. :(

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Michael Ma
By Michael Ma (2 months ago)

8GB more ram and it could replace my desktop completely for 5 years, and I wouldn't mind paying premium prices. With 8GB, I still have a reason to use and maintain my other computer. MS, don't think about how you can sell me a second surface pro in a few years. Think about how you can sell me the first one.

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JKP
By JKP (2 months ago)

SP3 seems to be quite rugged, they had confidence to drop it to floor during the show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5baKllChHg

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (2 months ago)

Lame demo. It was dropped on a carpeted floor.

You have to scratch the bottom of the bargain bin to find something what would not survive that kind of fall. And probably even then it would, since the plastic-fantastic cheapo gear weighs less and thus has less potential energy.

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dzukela
By dzukela (2 months ago)

99% of tablets would not survive even drop to carpeted floor. My didn’t.

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Alejandro G
By Alejandro G (2 months ago)

This is the first demo I see where they drop their product to the floor, just to prove it can handle falls. I don't know you, people, but I did cringe!

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michael2011
By michael2011 (2 months ago)

LOL at Mactards showing up here to dish this unique product. Threads like this show why they are called bad names. (No offense to other Mac users who don't suffer from the same fanboyism)

I can't wait to buy one!

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nawknai
By nawknai (2 months ago)

Mactard?

You're getting worked up over nothing, like you just got personally offended.

Why so butthurt?

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Framer
By Framer (2 months ago)

Looks great but I need/prefer a hinged screen.

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Michael Piziak
By Michael Piziak (2 months ago)

It's just a crippled laptop

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vlad0
By vlad0 (2 months ago)

Its a supercharged laptop.

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clientequator
By clientequator (2 months ago)

It has the same if not better clocked processors of the MacBook Airs. If the SP3 is crippled, so are the MBAs.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

"If the SP3 is crippled, so are the MBAs."

Not to mention how immensely better the screens of the SP3 are (resolution, touch & pen support etc.) compared to the pretty poor MBA's.

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drh681
By drh681 (2 months ago)

No not really.
Just a laptop without the keyboard if you want.
If that constitutes "crippled" you need to redefine cripple.

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djsphynx
By djsphynx (2 months ago)

Looks good overall.

That said, if I'm not mistaken, it only has 1 USB 3 port. I'd love to use something like this for when I travel but I'd need 2 USB3 ports so that I can back up to my two external HDs that I travel with. It was one of the reasons I passed on the 11" MBA a couple of years ago, that iteration if memory serves didn't have 2 either. Maybe the SP4 will have it. YMMV

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (2 months ago)

a USB hub seems the solution...I always need more USB ports than there are...

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

If you're already carrying two drives a tiny hub wouldn't add much more bulk... There's hubs that are basically just a cable with split ends, you can replace your drive's cables with that (ands maybe some full size male to micro male tips).

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djsphynx
By djsphynx (2 months ago)

Would splitting the single USB3 into 2 slow the transfer speeds? I'm often in the field with little access to power (generators for example while I'm in the Serengeti that are on for a short period of time) so for me, transfer speeds are incredibly important. It's why I dumped my previous laptop which had two USB 2 ports. Transferring a day's worth of video and stills would take hours.

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

http://m.electronicdesign.com/embedded/what-s-difference-between-usb-20-and-30-hubs

TL;DR: Yes, but t's not gonna matter, USB 3.0 bandwidth isn't gonna be your bottleneck unless you're simultaneously backing up from one premium SSD to two other premium SSD in external enclosures. If you're using hard drives for backups or in the system itself then they'll be your bottleneck rather than the interface or the hub. Never mind if there's a slower SD card in the chain or something like a USB drive...

Can only read from or write to as fast as the target or destination will allow, and USB 3.0 is fast enough to not be saturated by a single SSD. USB 3.0 hubs do have a number of improvements beyond raw throughout, tho they're mostly transparent to the user, see link. If you have the money or need to tote around two SSD just for backups you should probably look into Thunderbolt.

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djsphynx
By djsphynx (2 months ago)

Today I learned something ;-)

Thanks for this.

Rob

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John Mason
By John Mason (2 months ago)

I have a first generation Surface Pro and use 2 little adaptors that let me use it like a brick for desktop use. One is a 3 port USB3 splitter which lets me plug in a mouse, keyboard and external 3tb hard drive, and the other is a displayport to hdmi adaptor (which processes sound to the monitor as well). On the road I just bring the usb3 splitter and external hard disk. All in all the port and expansion capability look the same as what I'm having fun with now. I'll be looking to ebay my 1 and upgrade to a 3 as this new machine looks really sweet! (and more like version one should have been :) )

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Jogger
By Jogger (2 months ago)

Ive had a Surface Pro since day 1 and its the best laptop/tablet out there. Those with iPads.. have fun letting Apple/NSA spy on your every move and the walled-off ecosystem... hint, its a millstone, not a feature.

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Wye Photography
By Wye Photography (2 months ago)

Get a life!

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Vladik
By Vladik (2 months ago)

Most people dont have anything to hide!

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konoplya
By konoplya (2 months ago)

i like the surface, but you forget that microsoft was the first one to jump in bed with NSA

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WilliamJ
By WilliamJ (2 months ago)

To Jogger: Oh, my ! People have such a short memory ! Don't you remember the existence of the so-(in)famous "Magic Lantern" ? If not, here is a little reminder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Lantern_%28software%29

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martindesu
By martindesu (2 months ago)

"Most people don't have anything to hide!"

Do you have a webcam inside your bedroom? If so, what's the IP address, please – you have nothing to hide, after all!

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WilliamJ
By WilliamJ (1 month ago)

While martindesu's message was for Vladik, may I answer for my part ? I do have a webcam integrated to my computer - like almost everybody nowadays - BUT the lens is always covered.

That being said, I assume Vladik's message was ironic because everybody has something to hide, at least their own body if they are not used to websexcaming like mads (and even websexcamers themselves don't want to be spyed nor discovered without any make up on).

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Sonyshine
By Sonyshine (2 months ago)

It's way over priced. It's not a handy sized tablet. It's not a MacBook Air alternative. What is it? Another dud from Microsoft methinks.

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clientequator
By clientequator (2 months ago)

It has the same internal guts as a MBA, but also includes a better screen and a digitizer for pen / touch input. At this price point, it is very competitive (think similarly configured MBA with an external Wacom or similar tablet).

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Alejandro G
By Alejandro G (2 months ago)

I think their philosophy is right: most of us have a laptop and a tablet. I really don't know how effective this new product is, but I'm definitively hoping to give it a shot.

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (2 months ago)

For a laptop I still prefer the Macs.

But then, even Apple stopped producing laptops with the matte screen.

I'm not sure whose bright idea it was to make all screens glossy. The glossy screens suck for literally any kind of work. And even for movie watching, seeing half the time your own reflection in the screen doesn't really increase the entertainment value.

When my old laptop stops working, I'm not even sure what to buy next. Pro gear as if disappeared in the last few years.

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martindesu
By martindesu (2 months ago)

Same goes for external monitors. Sad times.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

BTW, as for screen size comparisons with the 11" MBA, note that the 12-inch with a 3:2 aspect ratio is actually much larger than the 11.6-inch with a 16:9 aspect ratio. Look at a a visual comparison here: http://www.displaywars.com/11,6-inch-16x9-vs-12-inch-3x2 . In maths, if you keep the same diagonal measure and make it more square, the area will be larger and not the opposite.

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

Ends up marginally less wide, but significantly taller (in landscape mode), which is great for actually working on it... Overall dimensions might be kinda awkward for tablet use tho. Seems huge compared to 10" 16:10 tablets and even those felt large for daily reading/browsing (I stepped down to a 7" tho 8-9" might be the sweet spot for me).

It's gonna dwarf most tablets out there, I imagine it's great for drawing and note taking tho, and much better as a working device than past 10" hybrids. It's taller than even a 16:9 13" laptop too, just less wide. Looking forward to trying it in person at the MS store, I don't particularly need a mobile system this powerful but the price point is tempting.

Nobody's making the kind of higher quality Bay Trail convertible I'd prefer for $500-600 (plenty of good budget models below that tho), so this isn't a bad step up.

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

The more I think about it, 3:2 at that res/size really does start to sound like an ideal work device. Sure any bag that fits this will probably fit a wider 13" laptop too and you end up with a more cramped keyboard, less ideal for multi tasking etc... But if it's a secondary system (as it'd be for me) the overall size/weight advantage and secondary tablet use seems like a good tradeoff.

I'm not particularly fond of the iPad's more square dimensions (I tend to use tablets in portrait mode more than anything) but this might really suit me.

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munro harrap
By munro harrap (2 months ago)

Years back they did guidebook sized pcs with just the keyboard on one side and a small screen on the other. I'd like it. Who NEEDs touchscreen? A 1TB SSD 16GB Ram, 2560x1600 HDMI, and Displayport, and a screen that lets you see at the same res as your monitor, so zooming in you can check, compare and correct, all can now fit into a thingy the size of a penguin book, with , of course the best SD and CF card slot performance, and a
decent cam installed to take pics with too.
Of course, if it is a touchscreen , it could just be your DSLR or CSC.
'Bout time, y'all.

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cubicbert
By cubicbert (2 months ago)

Re: AJC - that battery SB replaceable.
I Agree. Probably the most expensive component (aside from R&D) to manufacture is the battery. So the secret agenda of Apple and now MS is to sell batteries! The rest is just "Window" dressing. LOL

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munro harrap
By munro harrap (2 months ago)

Yes, it is near-sighted greed pure and simple to force you to pay more for more ram according to HDD size, but that is why they make them. Apple not only do the same but are worse, and almost the biggest general offence against the consumer is that if they are kind enough to "give" you an HDMI slot they use the excuse that the motherboard has not got the ability, to limit your HDMI output into anything to a max of 1920x1080, so I'd check this very carefully before buying anything size your high resolution TV, or your 2560x1600 photo monitor that very likely has no displayport socket anyway , wont be able to work at full resolution. They'll add (and all are now so doing still) hundreds of pounds to the cost just for a plug!!

The Displayport socket may very well also be limited
to the same poor performance.

The last time I went looking no laptops at under £1100 list had an HDMI port that supported 2560x1600 output Only Apple .

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

They're not artificially limiting those HDMI ports you know... It's a technical limitation and comes down to the components used, in many cases it's integrated graphics so blame Intel.

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JoeCM
By JoeCM (2 months ago)

I have Acer desktop with Windows 7 and HDMI port works fine with my 30" 2560x1600 monitor. If Apple and Acer can make computers accepting 2560x1600 monitors - do not blame Intel. Eventually blame the computer manufacturer.

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

You have an Acer desktop, now what GPU does the desktop use? That's the key, Acer or Apple can't pull a rabbit out of a hat, and a dedicated GPU simply won't fit into most slim systems, so they're at the mercy of whatever GPU Intel integrates into their CPU (or chipset if we go back a few years before GPUs on CPUs).

So yes, despite your dubious anecdotal evidence, blame Intel.

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munro harrap
By munro harrap (2 months ago)

Polite cough! If you fit a motherboard whose sockets do not support 2560x1600 no matter what sockets you put in, they will not work at that resolution. Just as you are still stuck with VGA sockets,duh (that might support 2560x1600 IF you can find a monitor that uses VGA).
Manufacturers choose, so now, you choose! I had to buy the Samsung 9 and take it home and plug it in to discover it does not support 2560x1600 on any port, because online and in John Lewis nobody KNEW. Really...Their 17" one, does, or did.

Customers have a right to know beforehand? Of course not. Tut, tut.

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

It's not the "socket" that's the limiting factor, it's the GPU or video card user. A consumer should of course be informed about said limitations tho, I never said otherwise, I'm just saying you're blatantly misunderstand where the limitation and blame lies.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

Gorgeous device fixing the prolly biggest problem with the previous two Surfaces: the 16:9 aspect ratio. 3:2 aspect ratio is just gorgeous and instantly renders previously, because of their 16:10 aspect ratio, enticing alternatives like the just-introduced ThinkPad 10 (see http://connect.dpreview.com/post/6895019353/lenovo-introduces-10-inch-thinkpad-windows-8-pro-tablet ).

Too bad RAM and storage configurations are tied together. I'd prefer a 128GB + 8GB storage / RAM config as I don't need 256GB of (very expensive) storage. TOo bad only 4GB RAM can be had in 128GB SSD devices.

(And, of course, the late August European availability is also a bit of letdown... as usual.)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Do you have to buy something like this this year? You can wait for a price drop in SSDs.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

"Do you have to buy something like this this year? You can wait for a price drop in SSDs."

Well, it's the first SP that I (who use Wacom a lot) consider a must. (The previous two iterations sucked because of the, for serious work, useless 16:9 aspect ratio.) This is why I consider having to purchase a model with larger storage when all I need is simply 8GB of RAM a bit of letdown.

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nawknai
By nawknai (2 months ago)

You know this uses N-trig, right? Not Wacom. Just FYI....

It shouldn't be a big deal though. N-trig has improved a lot, and Microsoft has been working with Adobe closely with regards to Adobe software, and perhaps their stylus and digital ruler technology that Adobe had previously worked on for iPads (and wasn't released).

Also, there's a drop in pressure sensitivity (1024 down to 256), but those numbers are more for marketing.

There are downsides to going with N-trig, but there are certainly benefits!

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JordanAT
By JordanAT (2 months ago)

This is N-Trig? Hallelujah! Not because it's better than Wacom, but because MS will now have a good reason to make sure there is good wintab support ongoing - and I have an n-trig based Sony Flip. It also means there may be a sliver of possibility if I ever lose my n-trig pen (or leave it in my jeans and accidentally wash it again) I'll be able to buy a replacement!

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Todd Ka
By Todd Ka (2 months ago)

Perfect. MS is swinging for the fences.

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Wally Brooks
By Wally Brooks (2 months ago)

I have two needs a device that runs flash, yes HTML 5 will replace flash. Till the vendors who run in my plug in applications drop flash I have no choice in this as the application must be used in its current state. Second a device that with USB external storage that can run Lightroom. Surface pro meets the requirements.

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Daniel Lauring
By Daniel Lauring (2 months ago)

I do wonder why none of the Windows ultrabooks use the latest integrated Intel Iris graphics though??? Does Apple have a lock on the processor? Is it too expensive? Do they think Windows users aren't sophisticated enough to know the difference?

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (2 months ago)

Same here? Very strange. Asus has one. It is the only one I know of. If I were going to spend 2000 bucks on a new ultrabook I would pick the Asus over this. It is spec wise equal to the Macbook pro 13.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

The Intel HD Graphics 5000 is what the MacAirs use currently.

Is that an Iris GPU? Wikipedia is unclear.

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (2 months ago)

It's a matter of size, battery, and probably heat requirements.

Iris Pro (HD 5200) has a TDP (thermal design power) rating of 47W and is usually available on 15" laptops and above, like the MacBook Pro and the Vizio 15"-ers.

Iris (HD 5100) has a TDP rating of 28W and is found on traditional laptops of ~13.3", like the 13.3" MacBook Pros and some ASUS ones.

Pretty much all smaller, more power-conscious laptops use the HD 5000 (I think the MacBook Air uses this one), or the more common HD 4400 and 4600. The HD 4400 has a TDP rating of 17W, which is a significantly reduced power footprint compared to Iris Pro.

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

The highest tier IGP is only available in quad core CPUs btw, which you'll never see in something like this for the thermal reasons already quoted.

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Alejandro G
By Alejandro G (2 months ago)

If your concern are games, don't worry too much. Did you see the new sharing feature on Steam? Your tablet will not waste energy and you'll be able to play your favorite games through this feature. Kudos to Steam!

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Daniel Lauring
By Daniel Lauring (2 months ago)

I tried the Surface Pro 2 for a while. The 9.5" screen was just too small. This fixes that. I'll be picking one of these up.

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Catalin Stavaru
By Catalin Stavaru (2 months ago)

It's 10.6" for the Surface Pro 2.

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Greg Gebhardt
By Greg Gebhardt (2 months ago)

But will it run my Windows software? I tried their latest and greatest and it installed quickbooks just fine but when I tried to open my 250gb company file, it brought the Surface Pro 2 to it's knees.

I would very much like to replace my notebook with this but will it do what I need?

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (2 months ago)

well, it's got the specs of an Ultrabook, so it should run any application that you can run on a "normal" computer. 250GB is a large though. I don't think I have ever opened such a large file but I could imagine it bring a lot of computers to its knees. What are you currently working on that file with?

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AJC Photography
By AJC Photography (2 months ago)

@Lars Rehm:

Is it just me - or are there more trolls and the sort of people that don't know their MBs from their GBs here today ?? LOL

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Greg Gebhardt
By Greg Gebhardt (2 months ago)

Sorry it was 250MB and not GB. AND this now much smaller company file did bring the Surface to it knees. The guy at the MS store said it was predictable as when it loaded the file up for use, it slowed to a stop and then error messages.

The surface is not ready yet and I suspect won't be untill the Surface 4 or 5. But you Fanboies like A/C Photo can keep dreaming! LOL!

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (2 months ago)

well, we still don't know what type of file you are talking about but clearly something's wrong in your specific case. The Pro 3 has the specs of a high-end ultrabook, so if it can't handle your file they can't either.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Greg Gebhardt:

How much RAM is installed in the Surface Pro you use?

And how much of the RAM is in use when everything you need+Win8 is up and running?

For example, up and running but without an open file, PhotoShop CS6 takes up about 100MB of RAM.

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (2 months ago)

Googled "Max QuickBooks file size".

"In theory, there is no limit to the size of your file, but in reality, you are getting into a danger zone in QuickBooks Pro and Premier when you get to around 150MB. QuickBooks Enterprise is more robust and starts to max out around 1GB." - http://www.osyb.com/blog/software/quickbooks-file-is-too-large-and-slow/

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

250MB shouldn't be an issue regardless of how much RAM he has, even a 2GB system can open a file like that. Sounds like a software issue between different versions of Quickbook, and/or poor trolling and/or research on the part of the user.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Impuleses,

Not if something else is occupying all of that RAM. Or if half the RAM is defective.

How much RAM does Win 8, this version, occupy when only Windows is open?

Trying to get the OP to look at other things.

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AJC Photography
By AJC Photography (2 months ago)

@ Impusles:

Yep - Poor trolling and/or research on behalf of the user. SPOT ON !!

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

HowaboutRAW: If he has too much crap often he'd probably have issues with all sorts of apps, tho it's possible a 250MB file was the straw that broke the camel's back, seems unlikely tho. Newer versions of Windows are actually better at managing RAM (unlike XP which did little and wasted it a lot) and have lower base consumption than something like Vista...

Defective RAM usually doesn't just disappear ands manifest itself as less RAM, it's way more likely he'd just see errors left and right until corruption hits the OS. Definitely something to test tho since it's fairly simple to do so. I don't think the OP was seeking anyone's help tho (besides the store employee he mentioned, which seems like a bad resource if there ever was one).

Maybe I'm more pessimistic about his intentions. Comment threads are terrible places for troubleshooting tho. ;)

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (2 months ago)

Also loading a 250MB file into RAM and the software being able to efficiently handle a 250MB file are two completely separate things.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Richard,

Right.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Imp:

I had half my RAM simply not seen by a system board, and the rest of the system ran fine. Though I still had plenty of RAM to work with in reserve. (This hardware problem of mine was fixed.)

XP was/is a lot better at handling RAM than ME.

I note the OP has not answered.

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

I said usually, not always, it's obviously possible for RAM to just disappear but most of the time it fails in other ways... At least based on the dozens upon dozens of faulty RAM DIMMs I've replaced. You'd think even a dimwitted salesman would check for that, but even with 2GB of RAM I can't see the being the issue. What does ancient ME have to do with anything btw?

OP won't respond because seeking help wasn't his aim.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Impulses,

Brought up WinME, because of its even worse RAM handling--worse than XP. Also, and I barely used it, Vista didn't have a good reputation. 7 is excellent.

Since the OP did get back to Lars, thought perhaps he/she'd answer.

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nawknai
By nawknai (2 months ago)

That.....sounds like completely BS.

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Cideway
By Cideway (2 months ago)

Well on my Surface Pro (classic) I have worked on a PSD file that finished up at 3.2 gigabytes and it kept on running.

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Greg Gebhardt
By Greg Gebhardt (2 months ago)

For storage it had 512GB but for RAM it did not have enough and that was why it slowed. It was not just me but the Windows Employees at the store that saw it balk until it froze. Several of the store employees said that they had seen simular slow downs before.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Greg:

How much RAM is on the system?

When the system is up and running with the application you need open, but not the file, how much RAM is in use?

Do you know how to limit startup processes by going into msconfig?

It was only the first Surface RT that didn't have much RAM.

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Greg Gebhardt
By Greg Gebhardt (2 months ago)

It was the latest top of the line surface pro 2 and it sucked! I returned it after 24 hours. I am thinking the Surface 6 or 7 will be good enough to buy!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Greg Gebhardt:

That doesn't really answer any of my questions.

And it more than suggests you didn't look real deeply into the problem.

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Greg Gebhardt
By Greg Gebhardt (2 months ago)

Sorry but it is YOU who have no idea what you are talking about. Not into the fanboy thing like others here. Point was their top of the line tablet would not run my software. I am betting the three will not either. Maybe the four or five!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Greg:

The point is you didn't make much of an effort to discover if something was wrong with say the RAM, or generally with the machine.

You've not answered basic questions asked here about RAM use, or how much RAM was included.

Acting like no one here has ever opened a 250MB file on an i5 machine with 4GB of RAM doesn't help your case. (And it would be possible with slower CPUs too.)

It's possible something was indeed wrong with your machine, or it's possible that something else was occupying significant amounts of RAM, however you don't appear to have looked into any of those possibilities.

And whoever you consulted at the MS store wasn't really revealing and helpful.

Again: It is very very unlikely that a Windows 8 i5 machine with the normally included 4GB of RAM couldn't open a file of a few hundred MB.

Now a Surface RT is different, that didn't have much RAM, and used most of the RAM simply running Win8.

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dzukela
By dzukela (2 months ago)

Thinking about upgrade from SP1. Stylus pen + new Photoshop = WIN

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (2 months ago)

Unfortunately I bought an SP2 128 last November. In a nutshell it's a complete Piece Of Sh!t. Now I know why they slashed the prices last week, adding insult to injury. Now a further injury... I just hope the SP3 is as bad as its predecessors and holes Microsoft below the waterline. Vist the "support" site for an overview of the spectacular range of faults exhibited by these overpriced, unreliable, ill-conceived piles of junk.
Buy a budget tablet and a decent ultrabook or laptop at the same price. As a tablet the SP range is simply tragic.

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blurredvision
By blurredvision (2 months ago)

WOW....completely trashing a product and not giving a single word about why you don't like it. I question that you even own one.

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AJC Photography
By AJC Photography (2 months ago)

Yep - What I thought too.

Surface RT and Surface Pro models have not been without their software n hardware problems at times though. The original Surface2 RT device I purchased, immediately showed the (black screen whilst actually 'on') problem that I have since seen and heard about on others. The button the wakes and sleeps the screen sometimes fails to bring the screen back on ... yet you know device is 'on' because the backlight is faintly 'still on' with the otherwise nearly 'off black' screen + when you press the Windows logo under the screen there is the tactile 'buzz' haptic feedback. I got this happen to me on my replacement Surface2 this morning (but unlike before - it went after a long 10+secs press of the on/off button ... and reboot was successful, with 'Surface' showing on screen as is correct after switch on.

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Daniel Lauring
By Daniel Lauring (2 months ago)

Mine had some horribly nasty Windows update bugs that knocked out the wireless and required resets. Once those were done it ran perfect. I also have a Dell Venue Pro that had similar teething pains but now works flawlessly (though it's pen is not up to the excellent Wacom one on the MS tablet.)

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zyran
By zyran (2 months ago)

Visit any support site/forum for any product and you're bound to see faults. Quite obvious.

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Alejandro G
By Alejandro G (2 months ago)

I had a Surface Pro, and I really liked the product. I was able to work on almost anything I wanted, but the form factor (too thick), the weight and the poor battery life made me sell it. Now I have a Macbook Air and a Galaxy Note 10.1. I still want to merge this products, though!

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (2 months ago)

No, I would never use a 12" touch screen for anything as complex piece of software as Photoshop is. Plus the screen would get too greasy already after 30 minutes use.

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dzukela
By dzukela (2 months ago)

Stylus pen, bro, stylus pen!

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57even
By 57even (2 months ago)

And an external monitor.

I would not use anything less than a 27" screen, but you can always attach one to the mini-DVI port. I always use my laptops docked when at home, but I like them as small as possible when mobile. This fits the bill.

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Daniel Lauring
By Daniel Lauring (2 months ago)

12 is workable. Lot of people use the Air's for PS. The 9.5" of the Surface 2 was too small IMHO, though some people are happy with the similar screen size of the Ipad.

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blurredvision
By blurredvision (2 months ago)

@DarkShift - I agree that a 12" screen is not ideal for something like PS, however this device is directed more at portability. While you may not have the need for a dedicated SP3 at home, it may be worthwhile if you're the type of photographer who is on the go and has the need to edit or preview photos in the field. So the 12" screen sounds horrible in traditional editing but having a sub-2lb computer with you at all times could be a huge plus (if you have a need for it, of course).

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

It's actually not much worse than a 13" laptop with a 16:9 display, just about the same height but less wide, so less room for tools and or secondary stuff around your main workspace but not too terrible given the overall size/weight and secondary tablet use. I think the dimensions are kind of ideal for a very mobile work device tbh, it's tablet use that might be more awkward on such a large slab. P.S. micro fiber is your friend

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JordanAT
By JordanAT (2 months ago)

If you've ever used a touch+stylus aware program, it's like heaven wrapped in creme brulee wrapped in bacon. I don't think PS does this yet (adobe b*stards), but Bluebeam (PDF editor) does it flawlessley - touch gestures work perfectly (pan, zoom, etc), while the pen simultaneously acts as your brush/stamp/eraser. It NEVER confuses the two, and you never have palm rejection issues. It's as close to drawing on a piece of paper as you can get with a stylus on glass (which is to say it's still not pencil and paper, but it's getting close).

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MarshallG
By MarshallG (2 months ago)

The new Microsoft tablet is "noticeably thinner than most laptops." Amazing new discovery!

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57even
By 57even (2 months ago)

Considering it has the same components, a high res display and decent battery, this is actually quite an achievement.

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Niklas Ramstedt
By Niklas Ramstedt (2 months ago)

I'd actually consider this one. My Dell Precision M4700 is starting to get a bit heavy.

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arscii
By arscii (2 months ago)

The power of advertising. Did your laptop get heavier with all the data you added?

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Niklas Ramstedt
By Niklas Ramstedt (2 months ago)

Technically yes - data adds weight, but only on an atomic level.

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57even
By 57even (2 months ago)

Nonsense, a 1 weights less than a 0. Just look at it... ;-)

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Wye Photography
By Wye Photography (2 months ago)

0 takes up more space too. It is decidedly obese and 1 is obviously anorexic. You have a too many 0s.

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keeyoni
By keeyoni (2 months ago)

Can you connect to an external monitor?

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Mike Griffin
By Mike Griffin (2 months ago)

You should go back and re-read the article.

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Damon Lynch
By Damon Lynch (2 months ago)

And what happens when your external monitor is not the same resolution as the super-high resolution display on the tablet? Ooops, the user experience is simply awful. Unfortunately we need at least one coming generation of OS and program upgrades to solve that problem.

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blurredvision
By blurredvision (2 months ago)

@Mike - You could have just typed "yes" and it would've been even less effort on your part.

@Damon - An external monitor can run at a different resolution than the Surface screen, not sure how this hinders user experience.

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Damon Lynch
By Damon Lynch (2 months ago)

@blurredvision They do run at a different resolution, correct, but should the PPI be sufficiently different the applications' UI elements will look okay in one of them and awful in another.

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

I thought 8.1 made special provisions for that, didn't it?

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

Besides, if you're hooking up an external display for desk use you probably won't benefit a ton from a small 12" display way out of the sight line... I'd just add a second external display if I really needed it and ignore the Surface's own display if I were docking it. I'm gonna have a desktop for the foreseeable future tho....

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Alejandro G
By Alejandro G (2 months ago)

Didn't Panay show the tablet connected to a 4k? "4K, people", he said "it's gonna be important!". Personally I think 2160 x 1440 is quite amazing for 12".

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Marcin 3M
By Marcin 3M (2 months ago)

Hehe, Adobe should add this computer to their cc offer. Just like telecom companies does with phones.

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Jun2
By Jun2 (2 months ago)

No LTE support, that would be an issue.

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deep7
By deep7 (2 months ago)

Can you use a phone as a wireless hotspot? Or plug in a modem?

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Bhima78
By Bhima78 (2 months ago)

Awesome system. Glad they decided to go with a bigger screen which is way better for drawing/photoshop work. Only thing stopping me from the pre-order is no Intel Broadwell... it's still using Haswell it seems :(

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (2 months ago)

Clearly you've never owned one.

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (2 months ago)

From the Broadwell Wiki page: "On 18 May 2014, reuters.com quoted Intel CEO promising that Broadwell PCs will be on shelves for the holiday season, but probably not the Back-to-school shopping."

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nawknai
By nawknai (2 months ago)

Microsoft can't release a Broadwell-equipped Surface Pro unless it is available. ;)

Broadwell will hopefully be released by New Years, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the ULV models will be available at the same time. Or they may ship a bit later. Who knows?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Hope removing the battery and SSD can be done simply with only a philips screwdriver.

Does Windows 8.1 allow one to easily enable the possibility of starting in "Safe Mode"? Windows 8 made that very important feature hard to turn on.

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (2 months ago)

With such a small footprint I suspect the Surface Pro 3 will be like the previous models - non-removable battery and soldered on flash storage. So you won't need that screwdriver since there won't be anything to upgrade.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (2 months ago)

I thought they said the same thing about the Surface and Surface 2

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (2 months ago)

This could be the tipping point of MS to bounce into the game if they play it right.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (2 months ago)

The game of portable computing devices? Haven't they been in that game since it started?

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (2 months ago)

Like with the Zune, Microsoft is having trouble getting traction.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

In The Mist:

And the sound quality on the FiiO X3 is vastly better than any iPod or iPad, or Mac.

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (2 months ago)

Yeah. On the issue of tipping, I regularly feel like tipping my SP2 into a dumpster.

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AJC Photography
By AJC Photography (2 months ago)

@ HowaboutRAW:

Yes it would be nice if you could:

* replace the battery (most important)

* put a new larger/faster SSD in (less important, seeing that a modern existing SSD will reach a point where the performance speed will NOT slow down any more ... even when nearly totally 'full' - at least 'full' in terms of everything but the amount of space left that is partitioned off so that the SSD can intelligently delete and recover 'used/deleted' sectors.

However - the trend in the last few years has (unfortunately for those that are technically more savvy) become geared towards making people think that a device is disposable. When the battery gets weaker, they'd rather you simply buy the newer, slightly better, even thinner version.

So the point I am making is - who out there DOES still allow the user to replace battery or HDD/SSD in these ultra thin ultrabooks or tablets ?? I cannot think of any.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

AJC:

It's pretty easy to replace the SSD on MacBooks, various. Not the batteries unfortunately. I think replacing the battery on the MacAir is still pretty easy. RAM is soldered into MacBooks + MacAirs though.

HP and Lenovo both ship small laptops, and big laptops, that are easy enough to work on. Not every model of every line, but on many you can simply remove the battery, and simply unscrew a cover to remove RAM or a hard drive. The high end HP laptops even allow for videocard replacement--not clear if the same is true of the Lenovo variety.

Haven't researched this as much, but some Dell laptops are pretty easy to work on.

I don't know about Acer, Samsung, etc. But some of them look normally designed for at least hard drive removal.

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Cameron R Hood
By Cameron R Hood (2 months ago)

Ha ha ha ha...yeah, this'll fix them...

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JordanAT
By JordanAT (2 months ago)

http://www.amazon.com/Poweradd-trade-Pilot-Pro-Multi-Voltage/dp/B00DN0KBXU

I have a power-hungry Sony Flip that gets maybe 4 hours of "real" work on a charge, so I keep one of these in my bag, and it's good for another 8 hours. There's never been a day the battery has not oulasted me, and as a bonus, the external battery charger is smaller than the OEM, and will also charge the laptop directly.

My guess is that these will have M.2 SSDs, not socketed chips, so swapping will be a PITA due to the case, but otherwise straight forward.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (2 months ago)

What does the "Pro" stand for?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (2 months ago)

Generally short for professional isn't it?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Rich:

Pro means that it runs the full versions of various programs for Windows, unlike the first version of the Surface.

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Jun2
By Jun2 (2 months ago)

"Pro" means running desktop/laptop version of OS, not tablet OS. So all windows programs can be used.

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (2 months ago)

Never eat at a place that advertises "Home Cooking"; never play poker with a man called "Doc"; and never buy a device called "Pro" anything.
The SP range is no exception. I've got one.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

SeeRoy,

How much RAM in your Surface Pro?

What's the CPU?

What's the video card?

What program(s) fails to run smoothly on your Surface Pro?

With Win8, and very similar hardware do various Ultrabooks, say by Acer or the higher end Lenovos run all of the software that has caused your Surface Pro trouble?

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cfh25
By cfh25 (2 months ago)

About $200

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Wye Photography
By Wye Photography (2 months ago)

Pro stands for, hmmm, Prostitute!

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WilliamJ
By WilliamJ (2 months ago)

Or for Peter Richard, Organist (cf: http://tinyurl.com/otlktng )

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retro76
By retro76 (2 months ago)

Microsoft is dead, the future is google and apple. Trust me, I don't hate Microsoft, in fact I was quite a fan boy back in the day (but hell I also liked cassette tapes at one time too). If you haven't graduated to Apple/Google hardware/software by now your simply living in the past, and it may sound cocky, but that's the raw honest truth.

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RunStrom
By RunStrom (2 months ago)

You are less than 1% of the Market, and this is half the price of apples - so go and eat them - and be happy.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (2 months ago)

Chromebook?

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onlooker
By onlooker (2 months ago)

"Microsoft is dead, the future is google and apple."

The future of what? Tablets? Laptops? Desktop OS? Server OS? Refrigerators? What?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (2 months ago)

As someone who works in the industry, you don't know what you are talking about. They aren't winning the phone war, but everything else (including the datacenter) Microsoft is still king. And to be honest, their latest phones are really fantastic.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

retro:

Only for people silly enough to believe in the cloud is Google a serious part of desk top computing.

Irony Android is a more serious OS than iOS, though neither is up to Mac or Windows, or UNIX for that matter.

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BigBen08
By BigBen08 (2 months ago)

Desk top computing? People still do that?

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Greg Gebhardt
By Greg Gebhardt (2 months ago)

Google and CHromebook will never have a place at my house or business. Ever!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

BigBen08:

Yep, and people use table saws, and Bridgeport machines, and arc welders and will do so for years.

Right, you don't need a lot of computer power to read your email in 2014 or to look at a decent sized jpeg.

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retro76
By retro76 (2 months ago)

I work in the industry my friend, my organization has over 100k desktops deployed and I consider myself an expert in this arena. We migrated from Outlook to Gmail two years ago, and we have migrated our Windows 2008 R2 servers to Linux VMs running LAMP. We now use Google Docs (a few power users still use Office). We purchase Mac Book Airs and Pros for serious users and Chromebooks are slowly replacing Windows desktops (most of our systems are HTML5 based and as such the OS is irrelevant). Our company is one of Microsoft's biggest vendors and across the industry this trend continues. Consumers are also taking a strong look at Mac Books and Chrome Books, if they purchase a Windows 8 device, they either return it or pay someone to install Windows 7. The only card Microsoft has left is the XBOX which is a great gaming platform.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

retro:

Ooh, Gmail, that means you're a cloud expert, not. Google Docs, okay if you don't want the files on site and you want the NSA reading them.

MacBooks/Airs aren't cloud devices; they're a type of desktop device.

News to me that serious users of say SolidWorks or VectorWorks use that software from the cloud. And video editing is a lot more hardware intensive than almost all CAD work.

Windows 8 devices aren't cloud devices either, nor Win 7.

It's not that the cloud has no uses, like webmail, but it's preposterous to claim it's going to replace every onsite computer, which it clearly hasn't given your mention of MacBooks.

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Alejandro G
By Alejandro G (2 months ago)

My biggest concern about this new toy is that the pen is not a Wacom one... it's bluetooth. But, people say it's pretty damn good, so we'll see. Also afraid it will get too hot, but there's only one way to find that out!

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notnaff
By notnaff (2 months ago)

Does it have full SD card slot? The MS site doesn't mention full SD only micro SD

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (2 months ago)

microSD, not full SD.

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AJC Photography
By AJC Photography (2 months ago)

"Photographers (WILL NOT) appreciate the MICRO SD slot" .... You would clearly NOT be a moderately serious photographer if you believed even half-decent cameras had memory cards smaller than full SD size!
Maybe you can edit your lazily written article to correct this then ?
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*NB - Even after DECADES (unlike Mac Laptops which can do up to 100 MB/s transfers) all Microsoft running hardware seems incapable of providing a fast transfer speed, where the hardware DOES have a full size SD slot. At least with this tablet device (and with Surface 2 and Surface Pro2 btw), you have a FULL SIZE USB 3.0 port that you can plug your SD/HC/XC card reader into ... and get at least nearer to speeds that MacBook Air etc can achieve with full size SD slots.

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Maverick_
By Maverick_ (2 months ago)

guys before bashing this, keep one thing in mind, the Surface is a very popular product. They do sell. And it's a neat but flawed concept.

I was in the market for an ultrabook, narrowed my choice to a 13.3" Sony Flip, but before buying it Sony sold that division and I decided to look further. Also 13.3 Flip screen is way too heavy to be used as tablet since the keyboard is still attached.

The Surface 2 Pro wasn't even in the running for me, because of the tiny screen size and weight.

So, I decided to look at tablets instead and just when I needed to finalize my purchase Samsung came out with the excellent Galaxy Note Pro 12.2. I got the LTE version on first day of release and have not regretted it.

Surface going to 12" is a good move, but a better move would be 13.3. Windows products don't work as well on small screens. But keep in mind, the thickness/weight of the Surface is its worst enemy.

The future will be phones and tablets and only 1% will use desktops.

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DVT80111
By DVT80111 (2 months ago)

Count me in that 1%. Actually I couldn't stop using my wide screen LCD. Thinking to add a 2nd monitor.

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

You can rip my three calibrated 24" 1920x1200 IPS displays from my cold dead hands... THE CONSUMER market might be moving to lightweight devices running mobile OS, but those devices are still years from taking the place of real PCs for anyone with serious work requirements (or hardcore gamers).

We've been hearing the same story for decades, literally, thin clients were all the rage when I was in high school and barely getting into computers... The need for fast hardware on location hasn't subsided all that much tho, ma and grandpa just don't need it for email and web browsing anymore.

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Maverick_
By Maverick_ (2 months ago)

impulses, so, consider yourself in the 1%. no need to get touchy about it. the consumer and the pros have two different and distinct needs. the consumer will always take the lighter/cheaper/simpler route.

Also, while we are at it, almost all cameras will go away in the next 3 to 5 years and they'll be only cell phone cams and pro grade cameras. No inbetweens. You can cry about this one too, but that again has no meaning, because Pro needs will always be different than consumers.

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Maverick_
By Maverick_ (2 months ago)

dvt, I have two wide screen monitors on my monster desktop. two monitors are the way to go. cheers,

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DStudio
By DStudio (2 months ago)

Impulses, when I was in high school they fixed computer bugs with tweezers ...

(JK)

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

Ehh, I think you might be stretching facts if you really think pro use only accounts for 1% of users overall... Possibly in a few more years tho, ARM based systems keep increasing performance exponentially. I think the biggest holdup in the long run are the mountains of legacy code tho.

Tons of professional work tasks that don't require the horsepower can't be migrated easily off x86 cause of legacy code, nevermind that often times a cheap desktop is still easier to maintain (read: service and repair) than outfitting a whole office with higher priced mobile devices that are way more prone to accidental damage or theft (can't take the human element out of the equation).

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Wye Photography
By Wye Photography (2 months ago)

Every product is flawed - to someone!

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Alejandro G
By Alejandro G (2 months ago)

@Maverik_ I seriously doubt cameras (specially mirrorless) will go away... and I certainly hope not. BTW, being able to process RAW images in the tablet using Lightroom and Photoshop (native PC versions, not the tablet ones) sounds really enticing!

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DVT80111
By DVT80111 (2 months ago)

Full version of Photoshop on a tablet, finally.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (2 months ago)

The original Surface could do that as well as a couple dozen Windows 8 tablets and 2 in 1's produced in the past 2 years.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

tkbsic:

Um, not the first version, you had to get a specialized PhotoShop. Then came the first real version of the Pro, which could run Windows Programs.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (2 months ago)

You are right, but I did mean the first version of THIS Surface, so the Surface Pro 1st version.

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abortabort
By abortabort (2 months ago)

Well there were intel based tablets before the first surface that could run Photoshop, no 'special' version required. Hell the was even the Axiom Mac tablets that could run PS etc...

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notnaff
By notnaff (2 months ago)

Great device for on the road/long term travel photo editing. Stylus support & USB 3 for backups.

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abortabort
By abortabort (2 months ago)

Yes. Pity people are only just now realising this. People who have been kludging with iPads going 'oh wow I can sort of, with a lot of dicking about, manipulate some photos on the go, wow isn't this great!'.

In fact I believe this is the first time DPR have even mentioned the Surface Pros... Too bad it has taken until the third gen for them to 'get it'.

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AJC Photography
By AJC Photography (2 months ago)

INDEED.

The Surface Pro2 or Pro3 may not be cheap, but there is NOTHING quite like them in terms of overall capabilities, form factor and speed.

They need to be marketed better though + the ones with smaller SSDs need to be cheaper, as £799 is a ridiculous 'entry' point. Seeing that many are over £1,000 ... this puts it into Lenovo Yoga i3/i5 and above territory (and similar devices).

At Currys/PCWorld ... where I currently work (well my last day is this Friday!) ... I have sold maybe 100-200+ Surface and Surface2 (RT) tablets. In comparison I think I have sold only 3 or 4 Pro tablets (maybe 2 or 3 even). Doing a sales pitch on an outgoing Surface RT 64GB (£259) or Surface 2 RT 64GB (£439) ... and using the 'included £220 worth of Office Home & Business' line = great. The current Pro2 at £799 proves too much for most ... even before you break it to them that the Pro versions DON'T include any Office! I'm not sure they include 200GB of Cloud for 2 years or Skype Wi-Fi either ! :(

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WilliamJ
By WilliamJ (2 months ago)

Funnily, I've just bought a new laptop today. And guess what ? It's that new machine's diametric opposite. How one can reasonably do serious photo processing on such a little screen (12" !). How about the heat after some hours of work (can one work with it more than 30mn before getting an eye ache anyway) ? Is that computer cooled by super-compact liquid nitrogen cells ? 8GB of RAM at best ? Humm, ok for little files like a bunch of standard jpeg, but I'm not sure it can be enough for a large group of big Tiff to be displayed and worked on. And I even don't speak about the keyboard that seems not so effective for a "super" fast typing. I feel that Microsoft desperately have been trying for some times now to drag us from serious computers to "light and fun" machines. What a weird trend !

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Impulses
By Impulses (2 months ago)

You do realize any laptop/tablet can be hooked up to external displays ands input devices no? This is not a new thing... For highly mobile individuals it's very convenient to have ONE system where your can have all your apps etc without managing multiple configurations, catalogs, and whatnot. Surface Pro 3 gets closer to that ideal one system solution than ever...

It's not my cup of tea cause I enjoy the DIY aspect of desktop building, and hardcore gaming, and easier upgrades, but dang that price point sure makes it tempting... Even if you have/need a desktop, it looks like a pretty ideal second system. Right now I have a desktop, an old netbook, and a 7" Android tablet. The netbook's getting long in the tooth, if I was traveling more I'd get this over a lightweight laptop in an instant.

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AJC Photography
By AJC Photography (2 months ago)

I'll second this.

The Pro is an amazing bit of kit ... more so when you can easily:

* attach to monitor or HD TV via Mini Display Port > HMDI / DVI / VGA.
* use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse WITHOUT having to rob the only USB port with a dongle.
* use a (powered) USB Hub to plug in numerous USB devices all at once
* make use of a battery time that is approx 2 to 4+ times that of an less so / equally powerful larger laptop. (If Surface Pro 2 enabled a battery running time of roughly twice that of the 1st one, this 3rd one promises a fantastic 'real world' run time with i3 chip and 8GB of RAM - assuming i3 chip uses LESS battery than i5).

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nawknai
By nawknai (2 months ago)

Do you understand that the SP3 isn't a desktop?

You want a massive screen? Don't buy this product. It's such a simple and obvious solution, and yet you just had to get your word in anyway....

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WilliamJ
By WilliamJ (2 months ago)

To the ones who have answered what I've written: I would not have talked as I did if something didn't led me to, a thing like:

"According to Microsoft, the new model is designed to be a replacement for both your iPad and laptop."

If you had both well read this pretentious and ridiculous ambition, would you have still written what you did or not ?

So who need to learn to read... and to think any further ?

That said, I perfectly know there are different needs, and for some of us, there is a need to have a compact and as-light-as-possible computer to sort out, display, and manipulate a little their photo files on the set. That being said, I still consider a screen that small, a RAM that skimpy and a non-vigorously cooled system as not ideal for post-processing. It's better than nothing but for most of us who are not compelled to rely on such a system to deal with our thousands of photo files, a good old laptop will still be the best tool of the two.

0 upvotes
Michael Piziak
By Michael Piziak (2 months ago)

Microsoft - the reason I started using Linux.

10 upvotes
Valiant Thor
By Valiant Thor (2 months ago)

Linux - the reason I started using Windows.

15 upvotes
Serickmetz
By Serickmetz (2 months ago)

Both of those - the reason I started using a mac

15 upvotes
thejohnnerparty
By thejohnnerparty (2 months ago)

Too funny. :-)

3 upvotes
CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (2 months ago)

Mac & LInux => I use Windows

1 upvote
Wally Brooks
By Wally Brooks (2 months ago)

Microsoft = pay me on the front end. Linux = pay me on the back end. You still pay. Yes you can get open source Linux you still pay after the fact.

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JKP
By JKP (2 months ago)

Running Retina MacBookPro here with Win7/64bit via bootcamp. Like the combination of Apple hw + MS sw a lot.

Very reliable, not a single crash happened so far.

0 upvotes
Mikity
By Mikity (2 months ago)

Not bad, but...
I still think they missed their market. People who want a proper laptop will continue to buy one. Folks who prefer a tablet will grab an iPad or something like it, since it's quite a bit lighter and smaller.

5 upvotes
tonywong
By tonywong (2 months ago)

Well said. I have a MacBook Air 13", an iPad Air and a Surface Pro. The Surface Pro comes in last for usability because it is neither fish nor fowl.
I use it when I need to use windows applications on a tablet form factor (service applications that are windows specific), but for everything else the clamshell design wins out (MBA) or else the svelte and power saving tablet (iPad).
If the Surface Pro 3 had a proper type cover that could hold at any discreet angle on my lap without flopping over I'd be more convinced. The 'kickstand resting on the knees' with a floppy (detachable) hinge is a disaster waiting to happen.

5 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (2 months ago)

I think concepts like the HP X2 models bridge the tablet and laptop idea a lot better because when docked, they function like a REAL laptop in that the Keyboard has real keys and touchpad and ports and supports the screen.

The surface has a kickstand which means you can't really balance it on your lap well (sort of but not well) and they keyboard is just not a real keyboard.

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abortabort
By abortabort (2 months ago)

Well I have a workstation and a laptop and still want more out of a tablet than what iOS and Android will offer. This is why I use Windows tablet even though I am a Mac user through and through.

1 upvote
WhiteSwan
By WhiteSwan (2 months ago)

I still wouldn't trade my MacBook Pro with it's 16 gig of RAM for this.

8 upvotes
Valiant Thor
By Valiant Thor (2 months ago)

Your error does us no harm.

11 upvotes
abortabort
By abortabort (2 months ago)

Nor would I, but it compliments my Quad core i7 16GB dual HDD MBP quite nicely, way better than the 3 iPads I have owned ever could.

2 upvotes
AJC Photography
By AJC Photography (2 months ago)

Ditto what you said (Surface2 RT is great when I do not need to run Photoshop or other specific programs). Sitting on the sofa and using the screen and/or Bluetooth keyboard and mouse ... I'll often grab Surface over my i7 8GB RAM 128 GB SSD Dell XPS laptop (overkill unless I am at a desk / hooked up to my calibrated external IPS monitor).

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Daniel Lauring
By Daniel Lauring (2 months ago)

Integrated Wacom kicks butt. I was just waiting for MS to come out with a larger screen. Other option was Lenovo Yoga with digitiser but those things are priced higher and are less reliable to boot.

1 upvote
AJC Photography
By AJC Photography (2 months ago)

So you reckon that this Surface Pro3 would likely be considerably better than the decent processor spec Lenovo Yoga devices ? This is encouraging indeed.

0 upvotes
SayKeys
By SayKeys (2 months ago)

Brilliant product.

7 upvotes
drh681
By drh681 (2 months ago)

Finally.
this is where they should have started.
does anybody like the fact that it will run full up photoshop?
or that it comes with a pen(stylus)?

6 upvotes
Valiant Thor
By Valiant Thor (2 months ago)

Except it won't run Photoshop properly. Photoshop will not scale properly at any resolution higher than 1920. You can run it but you would need a microscope to see the menus. Strangely, Lightroom scales just fine at these very high resolutions.

4 upvotes
Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (2 months ago)

See the note about the touch-optimized Photoshop CC that's coming out soon. I know, I know. Creative Cloud...

6 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (2 months ago)

Would ANY Windows 8 (not RT) tablet from the past 2 years run Photoshop? Not sure what this has other than updated specs.

0 upvotes
abortabort
By abortabort (2 months ago)

Where they should have started? Oh you mean that you just didn't 'get' that the Surface Pro 1 and 2 could run full PS and LR etc until they demonstrated it for you....

2 upvotes
drh681
By drh681 (2 months ago)

I mean they should have skipped the ten inch fiasco they generated chasing the I-pad and the Androids.
If you are MS and are selling a computer tablet, go all in for a decent screen size and the full operating system.

0 upvotes
deep7
By deep7 (2 months ago)

I prefer the small screen - more portable for field work, then plug into a big screen back home when you need more space.

0 upvotes
Jun2
By Jun2 (2 months ago)

Put 8GB ram and 512 GB SSD into ipad.

0 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

Are you serious? The iPad is a mobile device not capable of running x86 apps. And also lacks Wacom support, obviously.

0 upvotes
forpetessake
By forpetessake (2 months ago)

Looks delicious, I can see how this makes most laptops (except high performance) obsolete. It won't make any difference for the desktop users though.

0 upvotes
HGFGKM
By HGFGKM (2 months ago)

Can it be connected to VGA projectors to give a powerpoint presentation?

0 upvotes
Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (2 months ago)

Through an adapter, yes.

1 upvote
Retzius
By Retzius (2 months ago)

I guess Microsoft thinks that if they tell us we don't need iPads and MacBooks anymore then we won't buy them...

Sure ok

3 upvotes
abortabort
By abortabort (2 months ago)

Actually I bought a SP over both a MBA and iPad, regardless of being a Mac devotee.

3 upvotes
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