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Sony's next flagship Xperia smartphone may shoot 4K video

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Information has leaked about the Android 4.4.2. KitKat OS to be included in Sony's next flagship Xperia handset that points to 4K video capability. Engadget notes that the high-end device known as the Sony Xperia D6503 (codename 'Sirius') will reportedly carry many of the same camera features that the current flagship Xperia Z1 offers like manual exposure control. Along with 4K video the handset is rumored to add some new features like 'Timeshift video,' a high frame rate movie mode with the option to apply slow motion effects. 

Rumor has it that the Sony D6503 (successor to the Sony Xperia Z1 pictured above) will be capable of recording 4K and high frame rate video recording.

Xperia Blog has all of the screenshots and details. If this device does come to market with 4K recording capability, it will certainly need a lot of processing power and storage to deal with large files. The industry standard for 4K, dubbed Ultra High Definition, denotes a resolution of 3840 x 2160, or (in stills terms) 8.3 megapixels - considerably higher than HD (~2MP)

It's a promising indication for the upcoming handset that the Z1 had top-notch hardware specs like 2GB of RAM, 16GB of internal memory, a Snapdragon 800 quad-core processor and a microSD card slot. For more on the Z1, read our in-depth review of its set of serious camera features. 

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Total comments: 60
Duckie
By Duckie (6 months ago)

If Sony wants to make money, try producing more dual SIM higher end phones and easy to use phones with Skype for elderly users.

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hemiola
By hemiola (6 months ago)

Sorry but I can't help laughing, while asking why is this share worthy news?

First - as already pointed out - the transition to full HD hasn't been completed yet, and "full HD" is not even 2K strictly speaking. And now we're already talking 4K? Even if this is truly 4K (and that's a big if), how many displays out there support it?

Second, a full HD video shot with a mobile phone looks nothing like a full HD video shot with a D800, which in turn looks nothing like a full HD footage shot with a professional grade camcorder, even though they all bear the "full HD" mark. That's especially true in less than ideal shooting conditions.
So what you're getting in fact is 4 times more crap (noise, image artifacts) and marginally better quality at the expense of storage.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

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wansai
By wansai (6 months ago)

not really sure what the big hooha is for 4k video, particularly out of a camera phone. most people are still transitioning to 1080 panels.

the jump from hd to fhd was pretty noticable but the jump from 1080 to 4k, while sounding impressive, is actually very minor and unnoticable, at best. it's like 720 vs 1080 on a smartphone screen. viewed at normal distances you wont ever see the difference until/unless you are referencing it side by side against each other.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (6 months ago)

Hilarious thing; unless you sit no more than 3-5ft from those new 4k screens, you don't SEE the extra detail they offer over regular HD. Most people waste their viewing in overlit environments in their home, 10-15ft from their sets. "Pearls before swine."

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (6 months ago)

The same was stated about Full HD vs. HD. The rest is history.

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Sam_Oslo
By Sam_Oslo (6 months ago)

Does it mean we can expect to see 4K video in next Sony Alpha too? In case, that would be the real push for 4k video.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (6 months ago)

Hopefully everyone starts including 4K. It, when properly implemented, delivers so much more detail. Even in the Samsung Note 3.

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DaGurney
By DaGurney (6 months ago)

Garbage. A phone does not have the storage throughput required for 4K video. This is going to be a fraud, just like the "HD" video that's out there now.

2 upvotes
imsabbel
By imsabbel (6 months ago)

A good phone (i.e. not from apple or google) can just use nice and cheap 64Gbyte microSD cards.

Its not enough for "children of men" kind of long takes, but sufficient.

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

would love to see thousands of people at the Tokyo 2020 Olympics shoot 4K and 8K video and simultaneously beam up to youtube.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (6 months ago)

The Galaxy Note III has already proven that it's indeed very possible to shoot and store 4K video on a mobile device.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (6 months ago)

"Garbage. A phone does not have the storage throughput required for 4K video. This is going to be a fraud, just like the "HD" video that's out there now."

You don't know much about mobile cameras, do you? Hint: Note 3 and its 4K recording quality.

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thx1138
By thx1138 (6 months ago)

Sony would have done better to concentrate on it's crappy cameras they put in phone. Yes the specs all sound wonderful on paper, but the results are still second rate. Should have taken a leaf out of HTC's book. How about a 8MP sensor, 1/2.3", f/1.8 lens, and you could still shoot 4K video without any binning or line skipping. However, why even bother with 4K at this stage. Oh and if they aren't using the newer Snapdragon 805 which is specifically optimised for 4K, then even bigger waste of time.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (6 months ago)

Yeah, crappy HTC output in anything but low light, yeah that's a lesson for anyone.
Shrug.

The Note 3 handles 4k fine with the Snapdragon 800.

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new boyz
By new boyz (6 months ago)

Phone market is way larger than crappy camera market.

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scrup
By scrup (6 months ago)

The features on these new smartphone makes my camera dumb.

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FocusPuller
By FocusPuller (6 months ago)

Because what the world needs is YouTube videos of cats, babies, and people falling down in 4K? Thanks, Sony.

1 upvote
vv50
By vv50 (6 months ago)

you must be purposely watching those kinds of videos. youtube's 4k lists have none of that. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=4k+playlist

2 upvotes
scotbot
By scotbot (6 months ago)

Exactly.

0 upvotes
jkoch2
By jkoch2 (6 months ago)

There are no YT 4k videos of cats, babies, or people falling down---yet. The only reason is lack of phones with 4k video to capture these subjects we all crave.

YouTube bitrate of 1080 HD video averages under 4mbps, which is a fraction of the native (usually 17mbps or higher). If YT employs similar degree of compression of 4k video, the video won't look much sharper than ordinary or bad 1080 video, or else require more buffering than people will endure to see those cats, babies, or people falling down.

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (6 months ago)

Make your own content. For TV the diff comes in at 60" diag (from the couch), but for a desktop systems I think you can see a diff on a 30" monitor. However, I doubt the slow (dirty?) optics of a phone camera will be able to resolve to 4k.

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vv50
By vv50 (6 months ago)

optics of fixed lens cameras are designed to resolve up to the maximum resolution of the sensor - it's no different with phones. if the phone offers 20mp images, 4k video is a piece of cake

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (6 months ago)

"if the phone offers 20mp images, 4k video is a piece of cake"

Exactly. Most of today's (better) consumer phones easily resolve 8 Mpixels in stills mode. They wouldn't have a hard time delivering true 4K resolution in videos either.

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jkoch2
By jkoch2 (6 months ago)

Brilliant. A phone with a "me too" 4k video feature for people without any 4k displays, and before Sony offers 4k video on any of its traditional <$1.5k consumer Handicams or Cybershots. Granted, "me too" is a sort of trump argument. But the compulsion to add new imaging capacities first to phones tells us something about the eclipse of dedicated cameras.

Wouldn't people have more use for a phone that gives readings of temperature, humidity, altitude, or heart pace, blood pressure, HDL/LDL, triglycerides, and glucose? Or are such functions too mundane or depressing?

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vv50
By vv50 (6 months ago)

" readings of temperature, humidity, altitude, or heart pace, blood pressure, HDL/LDL, triglycerides, and glucose?" - weather apps do the first 2. gps can track altitude. watching your diet makes the rest of those measurements moot and shouldn't be standard features on a smart device anyway.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (6 months ago)

Most features seen on today's cameras/sensors came to small sensors (or small sensor cameras) first. For a good reason: economies of scale (and other less obvious reasons, such as less thermal issues, shorter circuits with faster read out speeds etc).

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

it's a more challenging environment on smaller cameras that the designers have to work really hard.

Comment edited 21 seconds after posting
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tee1000
By tee1000 (6 months ago)

Just one question to those of you looking forward to more small 4k gadgets: What do you need this resolution for?

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vv50
By vv50 (6 months ago)

what do you need continous shooting mode for? think of it as 30 images per second, but with sound

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animal900
By animal900 (6 months ago)

Why not?

3 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

4K is no more than a step to 8K.

currently 4K is about the standard resolution for mobile cameras so the issue is purely an electronic one: fast readout, process, and transfer/storage of the data.

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JordanAT
By JordanAT (6 months ago)

Digital Pan and Zoom. If the quality is actually good enough to pull a 720p frame from the video (which, let's face it, is enough for most home vids), and you pair it with a decent pan/zoom function in software, you've got perfect 3x digital zoom, pan right/left/up/down, digital stabilization, and rotation/horizon correction to the limit of the frame to get better finished product from a raw shoot. Set it on wide, keep your movements slow, and decide your framing when you finish.

2 upvotes
xoio
By xoio (6 months ago)

4K through a pinhole lens....... ;-)

2 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (6 months ago)

Even the Note 3, which has a significantly smaller sensor, delivers excellent video IQ in 4K mode.

6 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (6 months ago)

"Excellent"?

Compared to what?

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (6 months ago)

at the very least compared to standard 1080p video...there is simply more detail in it.

1 upvote
Eigenmeat
By Eigenmeat (6 months ago)

Sony/Samsung can make a cell phone do this. Yet, for example, a $1300 Sony RX10 cannot it. It just shows how much manufacturer intentionally cripple their camera line to create "product tiers".

4 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (6 months ago)

Hope their this year's enthusiast compact cameras (e.g., the follower to the RX100 Mk II) will also support 4K.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (6 months ago)

Dont forget that getting faster readout speeds is much easier with smaller sensors.

5 upvotes
jkoch2
By jkoch2 (6 months ago)

4k / high bitrate on larger sensors entails problems with sensor heat and agravated moiré and aliasing. Higher resolution would also heighten attention to the rolling shutter problem in pan or fast action shots.

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nikanth
By nikanth (6 months ago)

"high frame rate movie mode with the option to apply slow motion effects." is the killer feature

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (6 months ago)

In the iPhone 5s, yes. (Even in its crippled, quarter-resolution form.)

1 upvote
vv50
By vv50 (6 months ago)

except in the xperia, that crippled form is 1080p

2 upvotes
JordanAT
By JordanAT (6 months ago)

I'd like 240FPS; I'll accept 640x480 at that rate (Though 720p would be nicer)

1 upvote
Eric Sorensen
By Eric Sorensen (6 months ago)

My Samsung Note 3 shoots in 4K, and it came out months ago. Big file sizes, but wow- you you can zoom into your video and get tremendous details you couldn't get with 1080P. The Note 3's snapdragon 800 and 3GB of ram have no problem handling the files. Also shoots in 1080P at 60fps. Amazing tech.

7 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (6 months ago)

Exactly. People calling 4K a gimmick (the majority of the commenters here, unfortunately) and technically unfeasible certainly don't know what they're talking about.

2 upvotes
bloodycape
By bloodycape (6 months ago)

I think they need to first do something about their jpeg processing on their mobile devices. I am told that their jpeg processing on the mobile isn't as good as their higher end cameras(I have an A57), like the RX100, or NEX-6. I am told there is a bit too much compression and jpeg loss going on.

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Jogger
By Jogger (6 months ago)

Normally i would be very skeptical... but, Sony is using 1/2.3 sensors across their flagship phones. Its basically the same sensor as found in their superzoom compacts like the HX9, HX50, etc. These compacts have very good video quality. The one major area where they drop the ball in the Z implementation is in the poor codec choice they employ.

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jkoch2
By jkoch2 (6 months ago)

There are trade-offs. AVCHD is simply the least bad of choices.

How much battery consumption, sensor heat, memory card space and speed would it take to use 50mbps ProRes instead of 28mbps AVCHD2? Can ProRes burn directly to Blu-ray? Would hand-held videos of kids, bashful relatives, tourist traps, and pets look any better?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (6 months ago)

Yay! Poor quality small-sensor video that will be too large and too high a bitrate to play back on most devices!

Thanks Sony.

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (6 months ago)

You don't need a large sensor to get great video quality in 4K mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87nDlOPSPog

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (6 months ago)

Yes you do.

And I still don't have anything to play it back on......

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Rooru S
By Rooru S (6 months ago)

I have seen some people buying those 55" 4K panels so maybe it's just a matter of money (or real need) if you can get those for yourself.

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (6 months ago)

4000 pixels is not always better. Especially not from a small sensor.

1 upvote
TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (6 months ago)

The Note 3 shows it can be done. Better quality video than any other phone, by a longshot. Even the 1080P benefits from the upgrade (much better downsampling vs usual line skipping).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dlXIzOzLss&feature=youtu.be

Comment edited 44 seconds after posting
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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (6 months ago)

The Samsung Note 3 looks much better in 4K than 1080p on HDSLRs with much larger sensors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87nDlOPSPog

3 upvotes
SWSF14
By SWSF14 (6 months ago)

I've seen Note 3 samples, and it does make a difference.

1 upvote
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (6 months ago)

Exactly. The Note 3 delivers excellent 4K footage. Hope the Samsung GS5 indeed receives OIS (EIS is completely inacitve on the Note 3 while recording 4K) - and, of course, 4K recording. Then, it'll be a killer.

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

need more pixels for sensors of any sizes

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (6 months ago)

"need more pixels for sensors of any sizes"

What did you really mean by this?

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